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 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: 1927 Programme Surrey Class & 1929 Programme Heavy Cruisers

 Post subject: Re: 1927 Programme Surrey Class & 1929 Programme Heavy Cruisers Posted: April 29th, 2018, 12:28 pm 

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I hope posts on the "Never-built" designs threads are restricted to REAL plans, projects and uncompleted ships for which plans exist taken from real naval sources. Others belong in 'Personal Designs' and 'Alternate Universes'. HMS Surrey was the last RN Washington Treaty design of cruiser, limited t...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: Royal Navy Interwar Captial Ships

 Post subject: Re: Royal Navy Interwar Captial Ships Posted: April 24th, 2018, 4:15 pm 

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Just a word on the 4in, 4.5in, 4.7in twins, all supporting what Blackbuck wrote. If anyone has a drawing of the twin 4.7in turret, I would be very pleased to see it, but also very surprised. The 4.5in twin on capital ships was a 'countersunk' between decks mount. It appeared as a turret on the Battl...

 Forum: Personal Designs  Topic: German Interwar Cruiser AU

 Post subject: Re: German Interwar Cruiser AU Posted: October 30th, 2017, 8:31 pm 

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Hm ... Some thoughts "SMS Berlin 1925" In the "Neverwere" section, the date usually refers to the design study, doesn't it? "The turrets are once again based on the Königsberg-class" do you mean the triple turrets of the Köln class laid down in 1926, commissioned 1929-30? "Here, with the Cöln-class ...

 Forum: Personal Designs  Topic: German Interwar Cruiser AU

 Post subject: Re: German Interwar Cruiser AU Posted: October 27th, 2017, 8:26 pm 

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I had a brief PM exchange with DG_Alpha about the 1921 Emden design in Groner's book, which I couldn't post. That had 4x2 150mm in twin 'turrets' but I wonder whether they were really open back shields, like Tromps, or the Spanish Cervantes cruisers. This Emden pops up as a base for various personal...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: Royal Navy Interwar Captial Ships

 Post subject: Re: Royal Navy Interwar Captial Ships Posted: July 8th, 2017, 10:17 pm 

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"the 160,000shp machinery was crammed in for just 32kts speed" Don't forget the bet in the Ship's Cover! 'If any of the ships obtain an official mean speed of 32knots over the measured mile off Arran - no matter what is the SHP developed - I pay DNC £1.0.0' If none of the ships obtain this speed DNC...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: 1928 German Battlecruiser Design

 Post subject: Re: 1928 German Battlecruiser Design Posted: May 18th, 2017, 7:55 am 

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Lovely ship. Just a small point from page 1 "she was to displace 17,500 tons standard, the minimum size for a capitol ship prescribed by the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922" Under Washington 'capital ships' were all ships over 10,000tons with guns over 8in - limit 16in. hence the limit on cruisers. ...

 Forum: Real Designs  Topic: The Gold Funnel Fleet, Victoria's Colonial Navy

 Post subject: Re: The Gold Funnel Fleet, Victoria's Colonial Navy Posted: April 16th, 2017, 8:49 am 

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Preston, Anthony and Major, John
"Send a Gun Boat! A Study of the British Gunboat and its Role in British Policy 1854-1904" is both a history and a catalogue of RN gunboats. It has the Arrow class, but sadly not this Australian colonial ship.

 Forum: Real Designs  Topic: The Gold Funnel Fleet, Victoria's Colonial Navy

 Post subject: Re: The Gold Funnel Fleet, Victoria's Colonial Navy Posted: April 15th, 2017, 1:20 pm 

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I've done a bit more digging. the 580 tons tonnage is probably "builders' old measurement" tonnage. That was a formula based on the extreme breadth of the hull and the length of the keel (to a vertical below the stem). It was used for early RN sloops, though originally intended as an estimate of the...

 Forum: Real Designs  Topic: The Gold Funnel Fleet, Victoria's Colonial Navy

 Post subject: Re: The Gold Funnel Fleet, Victoria's Colonial Navy Posted: April 15th, 2017, 8:49 am 

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Thanks for that. Very interesting comparison with the Hobart/Melbourne paper. Yours quotes full armament using the six hull piercings. complement much higher (95 vs 46 - gun crews?) that would also deepen the draught. Beam differs by 1ft? Not unknown for one source to quote maximum, another waterlin...

 Forum: Real Designs  Topic: The Gold Funnel Fleet, Victoria's Colonial Navy

 Post subject: Re: The Gold Funnel Fleet, Victoria's Colonial Navy Posted: April 14th, 2017, 1:08 pm 

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You might like to consider the Cadmus class as a comparator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmus-class_sloop Espiegle aka Cadmus class 1903, 1070tons, 210ft oa, 185ft pp, beam 33ft, draught 11.25ft. 6x4in, 1400ihp, 13 knots, 3000nmi range Complement 150. c.£80,000 Sails (except Espiegle herself, non...
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