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Post subject: Re: Small ShipsPosted: August 29th, 2013, 3:53 pm
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Post subject: Re: Small ShipsPosted: September 29th, 2013, 11:56 pm
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This one's just for fun...
Seems like a thousand years ago but the first boat I bought as a kid was a Sailnetics El Toro.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Toro_%28dinghy%29
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8 feet of fun. Simple to sail, and a bunch of cutthroat racers of all ages. My favorite race was the annual Golden Gate Bullship Race from the Sausalito Yacht Club crossing the bay between Alcatraz and the Golden Gate Bridge and ending at the St. Francis Yacht Club in San Francisco. It's been happening every year since 1953.

An old friend and I still laugh about playing "chicken" and all the other stupid things we did in those Toros 30 years ago. Sold mine to start a checking account for college.

NOTE: Corrected per Eswube's suggestions. Dug out some old photos and I'd forgotten the mast was black anodized, and not bare aluminum. Dagger board and rudder were off white. Mine was an upscale version of the basic boat equipped with hiking straps, and various other race oriented tackle.

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Post subject: Re: Small ShipsPosted: September 30th, 2013, 4:16 am
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I'd make the mast black, and would give black outline to the underwater fin (forgot the english name :roll: ) - thereby making it slightly larger. Putting these things aside, I like it, nice work! :)

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Post subject: Re: Small ShipsPosted: September 30th, 2013, 9:21 pm
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Really nice work Craig, and commendable, for going and making such a small craft.

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Post subject: Re: Small ShipsPosted: September 30th, 2013, 10:23 pm
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Thanks Novice,

That was all of 30 minutes. Much of it looking for a useable digitized drawing and wondering what's become of the boat over the last 33 years. It was fiberglass with built in floatation, storage, and fittings for an upscale race rig. Much better that the plywood versions so it just might still be around somewhere.

Pretty sure the manufacturer is long gone. Saw one for sale while searching, $1300. It would be a lot of fun to run the Bullship across the Bay again. One feels tiny and slow compared to all the real boats and ships. Damned hair-raising in the afternoons when the wind goes above 20-25 knots. Just hike out, get soaked, and GO!

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Post subject: Re: Small ShipsPosted: September 30th, 2013, 10:24 pm
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Nice work! You should do an FD version, there's already a thread for it. :)

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Post subject: Re: Small ShipsPosted: October 1st, 2013, 11:34 pm
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Raxar,
No time for an FD El Toro. Too busy beating my head against my monitor over graded shading VS Shipbucket shading on turrets, hulls, and other curved surfaces.

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Post subject: Re: Small ShipsPosted: October 2nd, 2013, 12:04 am
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perhaps you can try to use the same shading method that I did on the funnel on this ship. The basic idea behind the "SB" rule is that the shading must be so simple as possible. thus an gradient shading would be to much, since SB drawings is most of the time based on MSPaint. But using two different type of shading is not an problem at all... just not a thousand different color shading.

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Post subject: Re: Small ShipsPosted: March 9th, 2014, 8:10 pm
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Flak-Boat Krischan der Große
The origins of this design date back to the famous Operation Seelöwe, the planned invasion of the British Isles in 1940. In preparation for the invasion, plans were made for an escort ship that could protect harbors and coastal areas against air-attacks. This type of ship was called ‘Flugsicherungsboot’ (= aircraft protection boat) or ‘FluSi’ for short, a rather misleading designation, as this was the term usually used in German for seaplane tenders. This ship, of course, had nothing to do with this job and was a pure AA-carrier (In fact, later documents call Krischan der Grosse a Flak-Boat).

Initially, 100 ships of this type were ordered for the invasion. The prototype was built at the Rotterdamsche Drogdock shipyard (construction-no. 242) in the occupied Netherlands in 1940/1941 and named Krischan der Grosse for air force ace Friedrich Christiansen. She was 38,5m in length, had a width of 5,9m and a draught of 1,5m, the displacement was 112t. A total power of 2000hp came from three BMW petrol aircraft engines for a top speed of 18kn and a range of 860nm. However, those engines could only run on full power, which made mooring a little bit difficult. The boat was armed initially with a 88mm Flak 18, a single 37mm Flak 36 and two 20mm Flakvierling 38. All of these weapons were land-based AA pieces and lacking a third axis of stabilization, which made them hard to use on the sea. At the back, there was room for four waterbombs.

Krischan der Grosse was undergoing trials for the invasion under from July 41 to April 42. Overall, the design was relatively disappointing and with the cancellation of the invasion, she remained the only ship of her class. From May 1942 on, she was used as a gun trial ship in the navy station at Swinemünde.

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In 1942, the order for the class came up again, this time for only 30 ships. The design was revised to include diesel engines this time, and the hull was enlarged (length increased to 43m), the bridge got smaller, but bridge wing platforms were added. The weapon outfit remained the same, except the second 20mm quad was replaced with another 88mm Flak 18. This design, designated FluSi 2, never came to be.

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(I know this is a never-built, but we don‘t have a thread for small ships there, so…)

By 1943, a second 88mm Flak 18 had been installed on Krischan der Grosse as well. In the same year, the ship was transferred to Antwerpen, where her petrol engines were replaced with diesel engines. On February 2nd, 1944, Krischan der Grosse was lost in an air attack, with 11 members of her crew missing.

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After the war, the ship was mostly forgotten, even some experts doubting it had ever existed (the misleading designation certainly was no help either). It wasn’t until the 1960s, when some photographs and plans resurfaced, bringing the ship back from the darkness of history…

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Post subject: Re: Small ShipsPosted: March 10th, 2014, 12:08 am
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