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Shigure
Post subject: USA Farragut ClassPosted: January 6th, 2017, 9:21 am
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Here it is, Farragut in 1932

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Post subject: Re: USA Farragut ClassPosted: January 6th, 2017, 1:12 pm
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Looks good, I'll leave it to others with more expert knowledge of USN ships and systems to comment on the details.
The after funnel base looks a bit flat, perhaps add a bit more shading there?

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Post subject: Re: USA Farragut ClassPosted: January 6th, 2017, 2:47 pm
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VERY nice work!

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Post subject: Re: USA Farragut ClassPosted: January 6th, 2017, 4:37 pm
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Hi everyone!

First of all, a style-wise very nice drawing, Looks excellent.

But - and I really hate to be the bloke who spoils the party - a tad too long. According to Navypedia, which is a straightforward copy of Conway's for the most part, USS Farragut's length is 101.8m wl and 104.0m oa; Wikipedia also gives a length of 104m. Yours has a Loa in excess of 120m.

As I said, sorry...

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Post subject: Re: USA Farragut ClassPosted: January 6th, 2017, 4:57 pm
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Yeah I knew length was going to be an issue. I've known that Fletcher was the largest destroyer of it's time and there's no way Farragut was gonna be longer.

I might've just scaled it wrong, spacing certain objects to far from each other, and therefor extending the length of the ship

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Post subject: Re: USA Farragut ClassPosted: January 6th, 2017, 6:35 pm
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TristanAlting wrote:
Yeah I knew length was going to be an issue. I've known that Fletcher was the largest destroyer of it's time and there's no way Farragut was gonna be longer.

I might've just scaled it wrong, spacing certain objects to far from each other, and therefor extending the length of the ship
this begs the question, how exactly do you work when drawing an real world vessel? it sounds like you scale the ship from the parts, which is extremely hard to do and should only be done when you have no alternative whatsoever (and possibly not even then).
there are excellent sources for the general arrangement of these ships. I have not looked for actual builders plans, but there are quite a few sideviews on google image search. Friedman's us destroyers has an general arrangement drawing as well on page 82. might those not be an better option?

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Post subject: Re: USA Farragut ClassPosted: January 6th, 2017, 6:38 pm
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You can't take a drawing of the Fletcher and then rearrange it to become the Farragut - that's just not how drawing real life ships works. You need to start from scratch, preferably tracing over a properly-resized original line drawing. You clearly understand how the style works so now it's time to learn how to draw real ships when held to a scale standard. Most of the hard-to-draw stuff (small guns, radars, electronics, etc) has already been done for you. ;)

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Post subject: Re: USA Farragut ClassPosted: January 6th, 2017, 9:00 pm
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Hi Colosseum.
Yes, is very difficult. Even with the same class of ship (resizing a Fram Fletcher, and graft part by part to the hull in the correct SB scale ;) ). Having a flushdeck destroyer as starting point for a vessel with a hull with forecastle is almost an impossible task (or at least, from my point of view, is easiar to begin everything from scratch). Cheers.


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Post subject: Re: USA Farragut ClassPosted: January 6th, 2017, 9:25 pm
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There are only two ways to accurately draw a real life ship in Shipbucket format:

1. Resize an original and accurate line drawing of the ship and trace over it.

2. Plot the drawing by taking measurements from a set of plans (only advisable if you have access to large-scale builder's plans or high quality CAD drawings).

No other method is acceptable.

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Post subject: Re: USA Farragut ClassPosted: January 7th, 2017, 2:17 am
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My question here is, if you do not have access to the original Naval
architect drawings, whose drawings/dimensions do you use? Are the
stats on NavSouce website accurate? Is Friedman always right?
( I assume he is because of his research and reputation ) - but I do
not own any of his books, in part because of the cost. Several websites
sell drawings that are apparently from the appropriate Navy designs -
but, again, they can be expensive. How does one reproduce various ships
accurately without spending hundreds of dollars on reference materials?


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