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Chocolate Bunny
Post subject: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 9th, 2017, 6:02 am
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In the past, Alvama and reytuerto have drawn the famous ironclad Huáscar as it was in 1865 and 1879 during the War of the Pacific.

Ordered by Perú in 1864 and Commissioned in 1866, Huáscar's naval career was nothing short of outstanding. Huascár participated in the 1877 Peruvian Civil War, being considered a pirate ship and even fighting a Royal Navy Squadron. But it was just a warming up.

In 1879 during the War of the Pacific, Huáscar took part in many combats and bombardments as Peru’s flagship. For many months, Huáscar was almost the sole significant Peruvian warship facing the Chilean navy. Captured after an epic battle against practically the whole enemy fleet, Huáscar continued its fighting career, now under the Chilean flag, taking part in numerous naval operations until the war ended in 1884.

The end of the War of the Pacific was not the end of Huáscar’s fighting story. In 1891 the ship got involved in the Chilean Civil War joining to the revolutionaries. Finally in 1897 the ship was decommissioned after a long and hazardous career. Just to get an idea of how hazardous it was, it is enough to say that Peru and Chile's maximum naval heroes were killed aboard the Huascar in the line of duty.
- Miguel Grau (Peruvian) was killed during the Combat of Angamos
- Arturo Prat (Chilean) was killed while boarding the Huascar during the Combat of Iquique
- Manuel Thompson (Chilean) was killed during the Combat of Arica.

Its war days over, Huáscar is currently commissioned as a museum ship at the port of Talcahuano (Chile), preserved as a memorial place in remembrance of the many whom fought, suffered and died aboard.

More information on the Huáscar, available here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu%C3%A1s ... ons_of_war

Initially Alvama drew the Huáscar as it was launched in 1865:
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Afterwards, reytuerto drew the 1879 version of the Huáscar, at the beginning of the War of the Pacific in cruising and combat mode:
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I have decided to continue where they left

First we have the Huascar right after its capture, serving with the Chilean navy, probably circa 1880 -1882. It is still carrying 10in guns and keeping the old Peruvian grey with some minor changes:
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Next, it is the Huascar with the "victorian" style, dark/white/red usually used by the Chilean Navy, probably circa 1882 - 1884. It has already shifted to 8in guns:
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Finally, it is the Huascar as it looks right now, as a memorial ship. I understand the Huáscar was restored to the condition it had in 1897 when it was finally decommissioned:
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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 9th, 2017, 2:10 pm
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Awesome work!

Sadly it looks like your image has been resized and the drawing is a bit blurry - maybe use another image host?

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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 9th, 2017, 3:07 pm
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Many Thanks.

Kinda weird what happens with the images.

I have been working with windows paint, saving as png and hosting with Fileshack.

I will check what happens with a different format.


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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 9th, 2017, 5:11 pm
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Chocolate Bunny wrote: *
Many Thanks.

Kinda weird what happens with the images.

I have been working with windows paint, saving as png and hosting with Fileshack.

I will check what happens with a different format.
It's your photo-host that resize your image, try: http://imgur.com/


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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 9th, 2017, 6:44 pm
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It's your photo-host that resize your image, try: http://imgur.com/
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Many thanks to you and Colosseum!

Now the images are loading OK


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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 9th, 2017, 11:26 pm
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Well, the series is now almost complete! well done, Chocolate Bunny!

Only a pair of comments. I think that the BL 8 inch gun is longer than the original RML 300 pounder, and the mast mounted mg looks somewhat oversized. Cheers!

PS: "Almost": I would be very pleased if I can see the legendary turret battleship depicted as in the Chilean Civil War of 1891 ;) .


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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 11th, 2017, 3:28 am
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Great work Chocolate Bunny, glad you gave that old girl a revamp.

I hope I can tempt you into drawing Independencia as well :)

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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 11th, 2017, 10:40 pm
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reytuerto wrote: *
Well, the series is now almost complete! well done, Chocolate Bunny!

Only a pair of comments. I think that the BL 8 inch gun is longer than the original RML 300 pounder, and the mast mounted mg looks somewhat oversized. Cheers!

PS: "Almost": I would be very pleased if I can see the legendary turret battleship depicted as in the Chilean Civil War of 1891 ;) .
Thanks,

Gotta agree with your comment on the artillery and the machine gun.
Happily there are plenty of high quality pictures for the 1897-2017 Huascar:
http://www.contenidoslocales.cl/sites/d ... uascar.jpg
http://www.chileestuyo.cl/catalogo/wp-c ... uascar.jpg
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/orig ... 616014.jpg
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media ... uascar.jpg

1) Initially Huascar's turret was armed with 10in guns but the 1897 version should have 8in cannons.
According to wikipedia:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_H ... a_de_Chile
Durante el combate naval de Angamos, el Huáscar presentó daños severos, siendo los más graves los causados por dos impactos directos en la torre Coles. Estos impactos causaron la perforación de 4 planchas de hierro y del forro de teca y afectaron la fijación de la torre paralizando la ronza. El cañón de babor fue impactado en el muñón izquierdo por un proyectil que lo desmontó y le arruinó los soportes de la cureña, habiendo sido el otro cañón afectado en su sistema de mira. Los cañones fueron desmontados y remplazados por cañones de retrocarga de 254 mm (10 in). La dotación chilena tuvo serios problemas con la nueva artillería y esta es vuelta a cambiar por una compuesta de cañones de marca Elswick de 203 mm (8 in) que son los que tiene en la actualidad.


Thus, regarding my drawings:
The 1880 Huascar can still portray 10 inch guns.
The 1897-2017 Huscara definitively will change to 8in longer guns.

2) The mast mounted mg is supposed to be a Nordenfelt gun, used by the Chilean Navy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordenfelt_gun
I agree that it looks kinda big so I am resizing it.

One problem I have found researching the Huascar is the lack of information for the 1880-1897 period.
-Up to 1879 there is a huge amount of drawings, pictures and models depicting the Huascar under the peruvian flag.

-From 1897 onwards, we have lots of high quality pictures of Huascar preserved as a museum ship.

But for the 1880-1896 period, including the 1891 Chilean Civil War there is not a lot of information on how was painted the ship. That is the reason my 1880 Huascar is just a "tentative" version.

In any case, I wouuld appreciate if somebody could provide further info on how the Huascar was painted between 1880-1896


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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 12th, 2017, 12:58 am
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Hey Chocolate Bunny, fortunately I can help you with this.
I've got three pictures on a book that show Huáscar during the time period you're interested.
The first one is dated during the latter part of the War of the Pacific or during the immediate postwar. She's shown in grey livery, with her foremast reinstated, without an additional pole on it, her mainmast has a long pole added to the top and the spotting top is without canvas or solid covering, only railing.
The second picture is dated during the late 19th century, she sports a black hull colour with a white waterline and red hull (I'm guessing this, the pic is black and white :lol: ), the mainmast's spotting top has been removed and one has been added to the foremast, seemingly covered in canvas, lots of canvas is draped over structures on the weather deck.
The third picture is dated during the first third of the 20th century, she looks gray overall, in a bit of a sorry state, has most equipment missing and interestingly has what appears to be a muzzle loading bow chaser over the forecastle.
I'll try to get these scanned tomorrow so I can post them.
Also, according to this source, there were three restoration projects to turn her into a museum ship, the first one in 1924, then in 1951 and finally in 1971-72.
Finally, your description implies Captain Prat died commanding Huáscar, I'd like to point out he died boarding her!

Anyways, hope it helps and keep on bucketing!

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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 12th, 2017, 12:59 am
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With the suggestions from reytuerto and further research the following changes has been made to the 1897-2017 version:

-Guns changed from 10in to longer 8in version
-Mast mounted machine gun is now a Nordenfelt
-A small crane added to the forecastle deck
-Modified mount for the secundary guns (between the boats).
-Apparently at the end of its career the Huascar got some small (47mm) guns. Checking some pictures it seems they were located just behind the Command turret.
Probably that was in response to the increased risk from torpedo boats. Chilean Navy was tragicaly aware of such a risk, since the ironclad Blanco Encalada was torpedoed and lost with heavy casualties during the 1891 Chilean Civil War, becoming the first ship lost because a torpedo attack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Caldera_Bay


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