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Chocolate Bunny
Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 12th, 2017, 1:03 am
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Hey Chocolate Bunny, fortunately I can help you with this.
I've got three pictures on a book that show Huáscar during the time period you're interested.
The first one is dated during the latter part of the War of the Pacific or during the immediate postwar. She's shown in grey livery, with her foremast reinstated, without an additional pole on it, her mainmast has a long pole added to the top and the spotting top is without canvas or solid covering, only railing.
The second picture is dated during the late 19th century, she sports a black hull colour with a white waterline and red hull (I'm guessing this, the pic is black and white :lol: ), the mainmast's spotting top has been removed and one has been added to the foremast, seemingly covered in canvas, lots of canvas is draped over structures on the weather deck.
The third picture is dated during the first third of the 20th century, she looks gray overall, in a bit of a sorry state, has most equipment missing and interestingly has what appears to be a muzzle loading bow chaser over the forecastle.
I'll try to get these scanned tomorrow so I can post them.
Also, according to this source, there were three restoration projects to turn her into a museum ship, the first one in 1924, then in 1951 and finally in 1971-72.
Finally, your description implies Captain Prat died commanding Huáscar, I'd like to point out he died boarding her!

Anyways, hope it helps and keep on bucketing!
It would be great if you could provide those pictures. Very appreciated!


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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 12th, 2017, 1:33 am
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Hi Chocolate Bunny:

One further comment. I think that in chilean service, the deck guns were also changed, from 40 RML pounders to BL guns. But I really don´t know the model, if a 5 inch (50 pounder), 4.7 inch (45 pounder) or 4 inch (25 pounder). In an old picture I saw the deck gun in a pivot (vavasseur) mount. Cheers, and eager to see your next version.


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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 12th, 2017, 4:08 am
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Hi Chocolate Bunny:

One further comment. I think that in chilean service, the deck guns were also changed, from 40 RML pounders to BL guns. But I really don´t know the model, if a 5 inch (50 pounder), 4.7 inch (45 pounder) or 4 inch (25 pounder). In an old picture I saw the deck gun in a pivot (vavasseur) mount. Cheers, and eager to see your next version.
The only available images I have of the Huascar as a chilean ship during the War of the Pacific are:
-Similar to other Chilean ships, dark, white and red (pretty weird because the Huascar is carrying the old tripod, full sails and a pink main turret!!!).
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-Similar to other Chilean ships, dark, white and red (just one mast and carrying some gold drawing on the forecastle)
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-Another couple of pictures, dark, white and red (in this case carrying two masts and also a white order)
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-Keeping the old Peruvian grey paintwork (single mast but with 4 secundary guns and the turret painted brown ... weird):
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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 12th, 2017, 10:31 pm
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Ok, here's what I could get you.
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During the latter part of the war of the Pacific or immediately after.

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Late XIX cent.

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XX century, sometime before 1924.

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Possibly during the 1930's.

Dating feels a bit sketchy to me so use your best judgement.

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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 13th, 2017, 2:36 am
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Very interesting pics!
So, probably during the Civil War, Huascar was painted in the victorian fashion, very similar to the actual museum ship, but with the gaff (palo de la cangreja) much longer.

One question about the 10 inch guns. I knew that during the war, Chilean Navy bought several BL 10 inch guns from Armstrong, 2 for the Esmeralda III, 2 for Capitan Prat, this Rendel like vessel later was sold to Japan without flying the chilean flag. There was an additional order for 2 more guns for the monitor? (manning the BL 10 inch gun inside the turret must had been a very tedious work, the space was already cramped with the much smaller RML, so the change to a 8 inch gun was mandatory). Cheers.


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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 14th, 2017, 4:36 am
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reytuerto wrote: *
Very interesting pics!
So, probably during the Civil War, Huascar was painted in the victorian fashion, very similar to the actual museum ship, but with the gaff (palo de la cangreja) much longer.

One question about the 10 inch guns. I knew that during the war, Chilean Navy bought several BL 10 inch guns from Armstrong, 2 for the Esmeralda III, 2 for Capitan Prat, this Rendel like vessel later was sold to Japan without flying the chilean flag. There was an additional order for 2 more guns for the monitor? (manning the BL 10 inch gun inside the turret must had been a very tedious work, the space was already cramped with the much smaller RML, so the change to a 8 inch gun was mandatory). Cheers.

As far as I know, regarding the Huascar's main artillery:

-Originally it was two 300 pounds (10inchs) muzzle-loading Armstrong guns. Those guns were the ones used during all the time the Huascar sailed under the Peruvian flag (1866 - 1879).

-After capturing the Huascar in 1879, the Chilean navy initially kept the original artillery. However in 1880 it was changed to 10inchs breech-loading Amstrong guns

Apparently there were lots of technical problems with this new artillery. It seems the Armstrong beech loading system was not very good.

-In 1882 (or perhaps 1884?? sources are not clear) the artillery was changed again to 180 pounds (8inchs) breech-loading Armstrong/Elswick guns. Those guns are the ones the preserved Huascar is still carrying.


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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 14th, 2017, 5:04 am
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Charguizard wrote: *
Ok, here's what I could get you.

Dating feels a bit sketchy to me so use your best judgement.
Most interesting pictures. Thanks!

From what I see, it is clear that after its capture by the Chilean Navy, the Huascar had at least two paintwork styles:
-Grey, similar or the same to the one with the Peruvian Navy.
-Dark, white and red, similar to other Chilean ships.

My problem is that the pictures and drawings are not clearly dated, so I am not sure when the changes were made and what pecific paintjob the Huascar had at a given time between 1880-1884.

The logical thing would be to assume that:
a) inmediatly after its capture, the Huascar kept its original colours, with some minor changes. Possibly this should be circa 1880-1881.
b) sometime afterwards (perhaps 1882) the Huascar was painted with the regular dark/white/red used by the Chilean Navy. That probably happened while having a general refit, at the same time it changed its main artillery, circa 1882-1884.

Of course there is the possibility between 1880-1884 the Huascar went from original grey to dark, went back to grey, changed again to dark, etc., but it makes not a lot of sense. :ugeek:

Anyway, since it is clear there was a grey Huascar with Chilean flag I think I will just add another tentative Chilean version :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 15th, 2017, 7:12 pm
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Hi, Chocolate Bunny:

It make sense (to me) that after Angamos, the first chilean color scheme was gray hull and the lower funnel and tower in the brownish red (called "lacre" in the decimononic spanish of the era) as depicted in the 5th picture. The decks guns are (probably) the same 40 pounders (I don´t know if there were 4 guns, originally the deck guns were fitted with rails, son you can have both two guns in one side, during the first battle of Antofagasta, the guns were fired in this way). But I don´t know if the stern 12 pounder was also retained.

The 2nd. photograph shows the vessel with the victorian paint scheme, the ship is clearly with two masts, and apparently with the bigger superstructure. The photograph of the forecastle with the chaser gun show the monitor once again with only the mainmast, and a clear (gray? haze gray?) paint.

I think that the alamy´s picture is an artist representation, which shows Huascar with full sail rig and the tripod foremast (I really don´t know if this is true, I think that in chilean service the monitor had two masts, but never with the cumbersome Coles tripod). The second pic (under alamy´s one) looks very similar to the vessel close after its capture (it looks very similar to the sketch apeared in the magazine Engeneering of 1879), even with the little auxiliary mast after the mainmast, but the paint scheme is the victorian one.

So, at least you have 3 more paint schemes of the vessel under chilean colors: the gray one with brownish-red turret, the victorian scheme with the "modern" superstructure and funnel, and 8 inch gun, and the same ship but with a "modern" gray color, which must be the colors previously to the conversion of the ship to a museum. Go ahead!, cheers.


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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 16th, 2017, 6:47 am
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Added two tentative versions for the 1880 - 1884 period.

One keeping pretty much the old grey colour and the original 10in artillery:
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The other with the dark/white/red scheme used normally by the Chilean navy and new 8in artillery:
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Post subject: Re: Huáscar revisitedPosted: June 16th, 2017, 7:53 pm
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Looks fine!


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