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Charguizard
Post subject: Re: Destroyer Type 45 (Daring class)Posted: December 8th, 2018, 3:01 am
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I hate to disagree with you Master Hood, but you can't be right.
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Trying to make some parts fit the advanced shading techniques and style some advanced artists like Ro-Po are using would require them to heavily recolour and modify them anyway otherwise the parts would stand out like a sore thumb.
This shouldn't be thought of as a problem with SB style as a whole, but rather an issue for a minority of artists with overcomplicated styles. The latest parts in the wiki are both accurate and adhere to the style firmly by having no more than 5 shades per colour. I do find it a crucial SB skill to represent shape with as few shades as possible while still making everything look good, and I think the newest parts and ships fit this.
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I don't think kitbashing the latest drawings is feasible any more, you could take a 2006 MConrads drawing and mash it up or modify it pretty easily*. Trying to kitbash a latest Garlicdesign cruiser or Ro-Po Type 45 is going to take so long you might as well draw a completely fictional design from scratch.
From a conversation in Discord, TJ made a very good point, we can separate the kitbashing issue into two:
1. An increase in the degree of different shading styles.
2. An increase in detail included.

#2 shouldn't be an issue, colo's latest drawings are incredibly intricate and detailed, for example, but not overcomplicated, and nowadays artists are both willing and able to share layered files that make deconstructing these drawings a breeze, which has already happened by the way.

The shading style issue is irreversible though, but you can approach it by simply sticking to the original artist's style if you're using someone else's drawing as a base and adapt the lesser chunks. This shouldn't be a big deal, most active artists don't go ham on shading and I've never had trouble getting around a Garlic drawing.

tl;dr: overcomplicating things for everyone else =/= pushing the style envelope.
Just my 0.02c

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Krakatoa
Post subject: Re: Destroyer Type 45 (Daring class)Posted: December 8th, 2018, 6:37 am
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Kitbashing requires its own expertise. Matchings styles and colours is not easy. Camouflage is one of the worst things to come across.

Actually the latest artists do such good work that it is a pleasure to turn out a visually great kitbashed drawing from their work. The oldest drawings are the worst to work with because you have to use so much extra effort in bringing the drawing up to the latest standards in colours and styling.

As per usual, the quality of the drawing, kitbashed or real/never were, depends on the amount of effort put into it. The 'best' artists we have now are a pleasure to see what their next offering is.


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Colosseum
Post subject: Re: Destroyer Type 45 (Daring class)Posted: December 8th, 2018, 3:35 pm
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The real issue is not necessarily level of detail, but amount of shades used. When someone has used 10 different shades to show curvature, that's when I give up. I'm also not a huge kitbasher and have basically no patience for modifying others' work, so I'm kind of biased, but I do remember running into this a lot when customizing others' work for my AU stuff.

Not a huge deal at any rate. Just glad to see people drawing and posting ;)

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Ro-Po Max
Post subject: Re: Destroyer Type 45 (Daring class)Posted: December 8th, 2018, 5:05 pm
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Many thanks for the feedbacks. I'm really worried about shading (this is a big problem). I am very hot-tempered and aggressive ... for ten years I have watched the work of great artists. I studied in drawings ... where there are a lot of details. I want to thank Colosseum, Gollevainen, ALVAMA (detail masters), acelanceloet (correct drawing), Little Bird, Caddaric79 (FD), GLACIESFIRE, Yurchenko (support, inspiration, motivation and hard work in FD and AUs) thanks to them I entered your community.

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Post subject: Re: Destroyer Type 45 (Daring class)Posted: December 9th, 2018, 4:33 pm
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Brilliant drawings, love the level of detail. Any plans to do further Royal Navy vessels (River's, Type 23's or, dare I say, the Queen Elizabeth-Class?)

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Ro-Po Max
Post subject: Re: Destroyer Type 45 (Daring class)Posted: December 9th, 2018, 4:41 pm
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Brilliant drawings, love the level of detail. Any plans to do further Royal Navy vessels (River's, Type 23's or, dare I say, the Queen Elizabeth-Class?)
There is no queen, she has already been drawn http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewto ... =12&t=8657 (I drew her, but this will be the cause of the drama).

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Post subject: Re: Destroyer Type 45 (Daring class)Posted: December 29th, 2018, 4:52 pm
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I think they look pretty good :roll:

Although we're not expanding the scope of the project at all if we always re-draw the same ships, it's always interesting to see different interpretations.

My drawings are for personal satisfaction and posted here in case anyone else finds them interesting, but that's not to say someone else can't do a far better job and shouldn't try, in my opinion :)

Good luck with QNLZ, that was a nightmare :lol:


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