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Post subject: Re: Submarine 2Posted: November 11th, 2022, 3:15 am
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The Barracuda Class of SSK's;

USS Barracuda SSK-1 (1956)
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USS Bass SSK-2 (1952)
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USS Bonita SSK-3 (1952)
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Post subject: Re: Submarine 2Posted: November 11th, 2022, 8:03 am
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Very good drawings. Would love to see the Ohio class SSGN. I can't draw so that's why I can't do it.
if you check the archive, you find many drawings, for example like:

http://shipbucket.com/drawings/7092
I'm not talking about that one, I'm talking about the four that were converted into an SSGN.


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Post subject: Re: Submarine 2Posted: November 11th, 2022, 3:17 pm
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Great work on all the USN subs!

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Post subject: Re: Submarine 2Posted: November 11th, 2022, 6:54 pm
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Very good drawings. Would love to see the Ohio class SSGN. I can't draw so that's why I can't do it.
if you check the archive, you find many drawings, for example like:

http://shipbucket.com/drawings/7092
I'm not talking about that one, I'm talking about the four that were converted into an SSGN.
well it is the same class, the only difference is they changed the weapon load, with the necessary equipment inside. nothing that would be visible on the outside, except some improvement to the submarine it self. The only thing you would see on the drawing, it that the Trident missile being replaced with a cruise missile and perhaps some upgrade to the sail equipment. But still the same class


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Post subject: Re: Submarine 2Posted: November 26th, 2022, 10:04 am
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Nice additions, though I have a feeling that shading could be fine-tuned a bit (especially on Barracudas).


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Post subject: Re: Submarine 2Posted: November 28th, 2022, 3:00 pm
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Nice additions, though I have a feeling that shading could be fine-tuned a bit (especially on Barracudas).
I will be honest, beyond scant few technical drawings, the Barracuda class is a complete mystery, I couldn’t find anything that gave any distinction as to how the hull is or was shaped.

For the Skipjack I may touch on the shading for that when I go back through and do the fore and aft view. For the Skate I looked at photo’s of them out of the water, rare sights for submarines unfortunately. From what I gathered for the Skates the shading for them should be accurate. If you wanted I would have to use Gradients maybe to give it the more realistic rounded look to that but I won’t because thats not in my style.

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Post subject: SS-19½Posted: November 28th, 2022, 3:38 pm
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A very fine start to Part 2 of this series.
SS-19½ is indeed a strange pennant, there must have been some reasoning behind it, presumably trying to re-number existing submarines to the new system and not having enough numbers?
I know I'm a little late to the party, but I think I found why. globalsecurity.com states that "by the time SS-19 D-3 Salmon and SS-20 F-1 Carp were assigned submarine numbers Seal had been decommissioned." You can read the full article here.

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Post subject: Re: Submarine 2Posted: November 28th, 2022, 7:11 pm
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@General_Dave_1

There is completely no need to use gradients. ;)
Of course, SB shading of hulls is a rather vague matter, but there are certain "usual practices". Back in the day not too much attention was attached to representing the cross-section of the hull, so sometimes just a 1-2-3 pixel thick darker stripe was applied along the bottom edge (keel) - and sometimes brighter stripe along the upper contour, if relevant - to show that said place is rounded (and not of square-ish cross section). Over time, though, the so-called "45-degree rule" gained popularity (though it's not mandatory), which generally says that brigther/darker shade is applied if the surface is facing the viewer at an angle equal or exceeding 45 degrees (sample shown on drawing below under number 1)

As for the Skate, "your" shade goes (unusually for SB) from roughly middle of the hull. I wasn't looking too hard for detailed plans of this submarine, but quick look into google gave me this: https://live.staticflickr.com/7692/1705 ... 1b12_b.jpg
Applying the 45-degree rule, IMHO the shading would very roughly look like on the drawing 2 (and I mean rather general concept than specific number of pixels at specific places).

Finally, regarding the Barracuda. Indeed, sources seem to be scarce, but as it is, the bow is represented like it wasn't rounded at all in front (along the vertical axis), and shading of the bottom, which is getting wider towards the bow would suggest that it's shape is like on drawing 3 - mind it's not to scale and only meant to represent the general idea, not the pixel-by-pixel details).

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Post subject: Re: Submarine 2Posted: November 28th, 2022, 8:39 pm
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I think you actually did a nice job on those submarines.


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Post subject: Re: Submarine 2Posted: December 22nd, 2022, 6:49 pm
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Below is my attempt to draw Pr. 641B Som (NATO: Tango) class submarine. There is one in the Archive, made by DP, but it's scaled to the length of approx. 90,5 m, whereas my is scaled to approx. 92 m - both these lengths are commonly given in the sources (including Russian ones), so I'd say both guesses are, for the time being, equally good.

Pr. 641B class, B-290, USSR
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Pr. 641B class, B-437 Magnitogorskiy Komsomolets (with Pelamida towed-array sonar), USSR
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Sources:
Pavlov Aleksandr Sergeevich, Sovetskiy VMF 1990-1991 (spravochnik), Yakutsk 1991;
Grotnik Tomasz, Ostatnie Tango w Hamburgu, "Morza, Statki i Okręty" 2004, nr 1.
Radziemski Jan, Siły Podwodne Floty Bałtyckiej ZSRR i Rosji w latach 1945-2014, "Okręty" 2014, nr 4.
http://deepstorm.ru/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tango-class_submarine
http://russianships.info/
http://submarines.narod.ru/


Also, I've took the liberty to draw Pr. 96 and Pr. 613 (or licence-built Type-03) in Chinese colours.

Pr. 96 class, No. 200, China
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Pr. 613 / Type-03 class, No. 131, China
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I've updated all drawings in the following posts: ( http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 71#p201071 , http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 38#p201138 , http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 01#p201701 ) with front and rear views, and two of had also plan views added.

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