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Author: | Garlicdesign [ September 26th, 2020, 4:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some British Pre-Dreadnoughts |
Hello again! For variety's sake: A pre-pre-dreadnought, one of Britain's earlies turret ships: HMS Neptune Ordered by Brazil as Independencia, she was purchased by the RN in 1878 when war with Russia seemed imminent. The war could be averted, and the RN was stuck with a less than satisfying vessel. She carried four 305mm (or 317mm, sources vary, the latter sounding more likely) rifled muzzle loaders in huge twin turrets with rather limited arcs, two 234mm bow chasers in casemates and three twenty-pounder broadside guns on each side; the smaller guns also were all muzzle loaders. Protection was extensive, the citadel having 254mm iron plating right to upper deck level. Unfortunately, armament, protection, superstructure and a heavy ship rig created extensive topweight, and she was a bad roller with poor maneuverability. In the mid-1880s, the rig was cut down, and the light guns were replaced with 8 57mm and 6 47mm breach-loaders; these changes brought a slight improvement in seakeeping, but the ship remained unpopular. She was placed in reserve in 1893 and scrapped in 1903. Greetings GD |
Author: | eswube [ September 26th, 2020, 5:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some British Pre-Dreadnoughts |
Fantastic additions! |
Author: | Hood [ September 27th, 2020, 9:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some British Pre-Dreadnoughts |
More lovely works. |
Author: | gral [ September 27th, 2020, 12:33 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Some British Pre-Dreadnoughts | ||
Ordered by Brazil as Independencia, she was purchased by the RN in 1878 when war with Russia seemed imminent. The war could be averted, and the RN was stuck with a less than satisfying vessel. She carried four 305mm (or 317mm, sources vary, the latter sounding more likely) rifled muzzle loaders in huge twin turrets with rather limited arcs
Brazil ordered her with 305mm guns, but after purchase by the British, she was rearmed with RN standard 12.5"(317mm) ones. At least that's what Wikipedia says(I think they're quoting Parkes on this one).
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Author: | reytuerto [ September 30th, 2020, 11:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some British Pre-Dreadnoughts |
Good evening, gentleman: Neptune was the ironclad ordered with Withworth hexagonal guns in the main battery? |
Author: | gral [ October 1st, 2020, 1:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some British Pre-Dreadnoughts |
Good evening, gentleman: Neptune was the ironclad ordered with Withworth hexagonal guns in the main battery?
I'd say so, since Brazil was a user of Whitworth guns, but I'm not sure on this.
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Author: | Garlicdesign [ October 1st, 2020, 5:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some British Pre-Dreadnoughts |
Hi all! OK, I started this, so I looked it up. Conway mentions the original armament indeed was Whitworth made, and replaced with British standard ordnance when acquired by the RN. Conway does not mention a larger caliber (317mm instead of 305mm), they just don't mention at all what caliber the new guns had, so I imagined it stayed the same. Wrong, probably. If Parkes says 317mm, then that's likely what it was. |
Author: | Novice [ October 1st, 2020, 8:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some British Pre-Dreadnoughts |
Beautiful work of art, Garlicdesign. An excellent thread, which draws me again and again to see those old ships. |
Author: | Garlicdesign [ October 13th, 2020, 5:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some British Pre-Dreadnoughts |
Hgrmph. Posted in wrong topic. |
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