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ALVAMA
Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 29th, 2012, 8:15 am
Yes because on of two is a bad one I did in 2008, and still not removed by serval of requests.


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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 29th, 2012, 9:44 am
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One of my favourite NWs. So extreme it's ridicuolus. Ridicuolusly awesome. 8-) :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 29th, 2012, 11:38 am
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emperor_andreas wrote:
Well, if top-heaviness is a clue, I'd say Fuso & Yamashiro. :lol: If not, my guess is the Tones.

-Matt
No Lad :mrgreen: , whe're talking about CAs right? and Tone (at least for me) is not the archetype of top heavyness, think about wich 10x8-inch Junokan is still missing :P

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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 29th, 2012, 12:07 pm
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*Junyôkan ;)
Hm.. Myoko & Co?


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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 30th, 2012, 4:48 pm
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Can't wait to see the Fujimoto design. I have it and Hiraga in Breyer and they always seemed pretty exotic


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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 30th, 2012, 4:50 pm
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Can't wait to see the Fujimoto design. I have it and Hiraga in Breyer and they always seemed pretty exotic
The Fujimoto A-140 (or early-Yamato) is already done by ALVAMA and you can find it in the main site under the "never built" folder, the 1930 Fujimoto (Fuso class replacement) will be drawn by be, don't know when tough.

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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 30th, 2012, 6:12 pm
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Fascinating. Even allowing for the design being 'blue sky thinking' these would have been amongst the most hideous warships ever launched.


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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 31st, 2012, 5:53 pm
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TY Bill will check it out


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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 31st, 2012, 6:02 pm
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Interesting Fujimotos in Never Built. The Breyer drawing had two turrets forward and one aft. Interesting to see the similarities to the British 1921 design with all main turrets forward.


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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 31st, 2012, 8:16 pm
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I believe it was common thinking at the time that since the main battery would be almost exclusively used as a broadside there was little difference in terms of placement, and by concentrating them all forward it allowed the armor belt to be shorter. It also cleared up the fantail so that not only could you put scout craft there, but concentrate your anti-cruiser and destroyer battery there (the ships most likely to catch up with you and engage from behind). But once people got serious about fast battleships they started putting at least one main battery turret there (the Nelson/Rodney came a bit before this, and the French ships stuck with it due to economy, IIRC).


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