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Author: | bezobrazov [ February 3rd, 2014, 1:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Republic of Denton Navy |
Looking at your Innsbruck-class, it looks absolutely awesome - as a drawing! However, I think you may have come up with an even worse seaboat than the Illinois was! It's simply too short and too cramped. Now, here's my rider: if you did perceive it as being such from the onset, then my critique should be ignored! I rather enjoy AU:s where imperfect ships' designs are being devised. Afterall, the HMS Dreadnought was far from perfect. Nor were the last U.S. BB:s, the Iowas, for instance. So, if you strove to create a flawed, but realistic design, then I applaud you for that effort! The only thing I'd add would be one or two steam pinnaces and/or -cutters abreast the funnels. I would also flare out the aft portion of your upper (navigation) bridge. As it is now, it appears to be perfectly straight. |
Author: | ezgo394 [ February 3rd, 2014, 5:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Republic of Denton Navy |
@odysseus1980, will do. @Bezobrazov, thank you! Concerning the design, I had originally decided to use the Kearsarge mainly because I liked the way it sat in the water, but then after a little research, the forward guns would get swamped in bad weather, so I then decided for the Illinois. I did not know that the Illinois was a bad seaboat, though. Of course, at this point, it doesn't matter, because I'm with you. I want this to be a flawed design to make things more interesting, and for that matter, more realistic. I have updated the drawing. I did as you said and lowered the rear area of the upper bridge (well, I lowered both of them), and then I did add one steam cutter. Thank you for your comments! -EZ |
Author: | bezobrazov [ February 4th, 2014, 1:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Republic of Denton Navy |
Very nice, though on your steam pinnace, if I may suggest to swap the positions of the enclosed cabin and the funnel. Most, if not all steam cutters, pinnaces, launches, either had their boilers forward or slightly amidships, to free the aft (beamier) portion of the boat for either an open cabin or an enclosed one. The reason was, of course, the nature of propulsion - steam. A steam engine needs an external boiler, plus the steam engine, and in those days it'd be a VTE (Vertical Triple Expansion machinery, or even an older type of Compound Engine. Heck, if you can find the Victorian boat parts-sheet, you're more than welcome to bick one of those, or even modify them for your requirements! |
Author: | ezgo394 [ February 4th, 2014, 10:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Republic of Denton Navy |
Thank you Bezo . Done and fixed. |
Author: | ezgo394 [ February 7th, 2014, 1:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Republic of Denton Navy |
Alright, I had to cheat a little bit. On my fleet list, it say ONE 1900s Pre-Dread, but I had to do another one. DNS Saarbrucken was Denton's first true battleship. It was based on the USS Kearsarge and was laid down several months before her half-sister, DNS Innsbruck. There were a lot of design similarities between the two, such as the conning tower, bridge and mast structure, plus the turrets (the Innsbruck did not have the second level turret) and the hull itself. Laid Down: July 2nd, 1896 Launched: April 7th, 1898 DNS Saarbrucken, Dentonite Pre-Dreadnought laid down 1896 Displacement: 10,845 t light; 11,455 t standard; 11,645 t normal; 11,796 t full load Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught 364.00 ft / 353.00 ft x 72.25 ft x 23.50 ft (normal load) 107.59 m / 107.59 m x 22.02 m x 7.16 m Armament: 4 - 13.00" / 330 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,098.50lbs / 498.27kg shells, 1896 Model Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes) on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts 14 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1896 Model Breech loading guns in casemate mounts on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring 24 - 2.20" / 55.9 mm guns in single mounts, 5.32lbs / 2.41kg shells, 1896 Model Breech loading guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts 4 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (2x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1896 Model Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turrets on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts Weight of broadside 6,421 lbs / 2,912 kg Shells per gun, main battery: 100 Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 150.00 ft / 45.72 m 6.00 ft / 1.83 m Ends: 6.00" / 152 mm 180.00 ft / 54.86 m 4.00 ft / 1.22 m 23.00 ft / 7.01 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 65 % of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 11.0" / 279 mm 8.00" / 203 mm 2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - - 4th: 10.0" / 254 mm 8.00" / 203 mm - - Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,424 ihp / 6,284 Kw = 16.00 kts Range 3,800nm at 5.00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 342 tons (100% coal) Complement: 559 - 728 Cost: £1.250 million / $5.001 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 803 tons, 6.9 % Armour: 4,103 tons, 35.2 % - Belts: 722 tons, 6.2 % - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Armament: 1,784 tons, 15.3 % - Armour Deck: 1,486 tons, 12.8 % - Conning Tower: 111 tons, 1.0 % Machinery: 1,404 tons, 12.1 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,533 tons, 38.9 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 799 tons, 6.9 % Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 0.0 % Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 10,170 lbs / 4,613 Kg = 9.3 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.01 Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m Roll period: 17.1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 38 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.80 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck Block coefficient: 0.680 Length to Beam Ratio: 4.89 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18.79 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 36 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length): - Stem: 13.50 ft / 4.11 m - Forecastle (15 %): 12.50 ft / 3.81 m - Mid (50 %): 11.50 ft / 3.51 m - Quarterdeck (15 %): 11.50 ft / 3.51 m - Stern: 13.00 ft / 3.96 m - Average freeboard: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.0 % - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 80.4 % Waterplane Area: 20,078 Square feet or 1,865 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 % Structure weight / hull surface area: 169 lbs/sq ft or 826 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0.93 - Longitudinal: 2.00 - Overall: 1.00 Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather One last snippet I would like to add are the dates of construction for BB-3 Innsbruck Laid Down: October 8th, 1896 Launched: July 30th, 1898 All comments, questions, concerns are welcome. -EZ |
Author: | ezgo394 [ February 8th, 2014, 1:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Republic of Denton Navy |
Nothing at all? Huh, oh well... Ok, next up is the DNS Hofmann Class of Torpedo Boats (3 boats). I based it off of the USS Bailey Torpedo Boat. DNS Hofmann Class Laid Down: 1897 Launched: 1898 Length OA: 200ft Length Water: 197.5ft Draught: 6.5ft Beam: 19.25ft Max Speed: 30kts Armament: 4x 2.2in 6-pounder guns 3x 18in torpedo tubes -EZ |
Author: | eswube [ February 8th, 2014, 8:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Republic of Denton Navy |
Looks very nice. Maybe add a searchlight? |
Author: | ezgo394 [ February 8th, 2014, 4:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Republic of Denton Navy |
Thank you Eswube . A searchlight has been added (although I'm not sure if it's in a good place behind that 6-pounder). |
Author: | odysseus1980 [ February 12th, 2014, 4:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Republic of Denton Navy |
That searchlight should move upper in mast or move the 6-pounder. She is a very good torpedo boat, typical of the era. |
Author: | ezgo394 [ February 13th, 2014, 6:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Republic of Denton Navy |
I had thought about it, but being that it's beam is less than 20ft, I was worried that it might make it less stable, more top heavy. |
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