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Author:  Novice [ April 29th, 2011, 4:13 pm ]
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Gollevainen wrote:
Is the Scylla conversion something newer-where based?
The idea of the fleet direction ships is excelent.
Oh yes. It was a real idea, but was shelved becuase of money (of course) an d the bad state of the engine-room bed plates, the result of damage HMS Scylla received off the Normandy beaches in 1944.
Author:  Hood [ April 29th, 2011, 4:17 pm ]
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It is based on descriptions in Norman Friedman's 'British Destroyers and Frigates' as are the other FADEs and what I've termed here the 'Super-Darings'. They are based on real ideas but given the lack of the sources and sketchings of the real plans these are artists representations.

That's high praise indeed from Golly which I find rather humbling given his own excellent work.
Author:  Portsmouth Bill [ April 29th, 2011, 4:17 pm ]
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Eight Battles were converted as radar picket ships as 'Mini-FADEs' from the late 1950s with Type 965 radar and a new AIO. Some of them received newer 4.5in Mk VI mounts during thier refits. They served until the 1970-72 with the carrier fleet extending the radar-range of the fleet and they were data-linked to the FADE ships and the carriers by CDS.
No problem Capn, but I have a later version with the new 4.5 and a helicopter pad aft. I'll post it once I get the badge sorted - bleeding badges :lol: I think this next one will be a further update, and its rather sexy!
Author:  Novice [ April 29th, 2011, 9:05 pm ]
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During the end of 1960's with the Sea Slug missile becoming obselete, the RN was developing its next generation of AA missile - Sea Dart. In our AU there was also developed an ASW missile to be fired from the same launcher as Sea Dart (the idea is by Hood as well as the missile and launcher). To put these systems on board a ship and in general designing a new carrier escort the RN developed theType 83 missile destroyer, which also had a big hangar for four helicopters (Wessex at first), a common launcher for Sea Dart and the ASW missile and carrying also the new ASW torpedoes from Project Ongar (which also produced the submarine fired torpedo Tigerfish)

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Also aat about the same time the idea of the colonial sloop with diesel engines was further developed, and enlarged and now the sloop could carry a Wessex helicopter, which apart from being a usefull ASW weapon could also carry a small Marines squad ashore

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Author:  Mitchell van Os [ April 29th, 2011, 9:34 pm ]
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Owh bombhead. Cant wait for the refit!

And nice AU guys, also very fast!
Author:  Bombhead [ April 30th, 2011, 12:11 am ]
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There you go Mitch.

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Author:  bezobrazov [ April 30th, 2011, 3:17 am ]
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Very nice, Bombhead, but may I modestly suggest that you replace some of the ship's boats with the covered motorboat versions that I and Hood have created for the Type22s and the Counties? I believe, as a sole surviving battleship, and the Flagship of the Home-fleet, as well as a future 'Royal Barge' this would've been a natural development! I also believe the radar outfit by 1962 standard is a trifle deficient, and, again, here I'd suggest looking into contemporary ships, especially Hood's excellent Counties. Finally, I think the ship should be equipped with the Corvus chaff/flare launcher, though one per side would be sufficient.

What really would be interesting next is, whether the ship can be converted to carry the Sea Slug or Blue Slug, either as a double ender or a single ender (preferrably then replacing 'x' and 'y'-turrets.
Author:  Philbob [ April 30th, 2011, 7:15 am ]
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Why not include the Malta or Lion class ships in this AU? Or the new Heavy cruisers were being built... don't forget about the 'G' class either...
Author:  Bombhead [ April 30th, 2011, 9:15 am ]
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Have patience Philbob :D
Author:  Portsmouth Bill [ April 30th, 2011, 9:54 am ]
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Why not include the Malta or Lion class ships in this AU? Or the new Heavy cruisers were being built... don't forget about the 'G' class either...
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Have patience Philbob :D
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As the Majestic conversion was unsatisfactory as a missile cruiser; and bearing in mind that in real life the RN faced a lack of suitably large hulls to ship the new Seaslug sam, we are fortunate that here we had the Minotaur class built postwar as missile cruisers. The Illustrious served to get the Seaslug afloat and helped to bring the system into service; but as so often happens, by the time the Illustrious was commisoned the new Admiral class crusiers wern't far behind. The first two in service were mixed gun/missile cruisers: HMS St Vincent and HMS Collingwood, roughly comparable to the similar sized crusiers in the U.S. and Dutch navies, but carrying more modern gun armanent: the new dual 6-in twin and the new 3-in/70 dual guns, plus (when ready) the Seacat system. Here the Seaslug/Blueslug used the new twin launcher as the triple launcher used on the Illustrious was too bulky. Also, the missiles were stowed and armed horizontally to allow better stowage and hull protection below decks (On the Illustrious the system was stowed more vertically, which was passible on that hull, but created large internal spaces).

The great concern at the time was the steady build up of the Sverdlov class and rumours of even bigger Soviet warships in development. It was reckoned that the gun armed Admiral class could easily deal with a Sverdlov, just with its main guns: soon overwhelming the enemy ship with rapid fire. These were large sophisticated ships that took some time to realise their worth, due to problems with the new weapon and radar systems. In service they were attached to either carrier task forces to act as escort, and in support of amhibious forces, where their guns proved useful, plus their ample command facilties were useful when leading smaller units. Once the Seaslug became obsolete the two gun armed Admirals were retained due to their value in command role; the seaslug was removed and a helicopter hangar substituted. These two make a pair, whereas the next two; the Hood and Nelson were completed to a diferent appearance, and these will follow....watch this space :D
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