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Post subject: Colony of Victoria (AU)Posted: August 7th, 2013, 7:57 pm
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I've started this AU of the concept of what happened if the federation of Australia (and its forerunner the Federal Council of Australasia) flopped? New Zealand and Fiji did back out of this in RL so its not too far fetched to assume that the usually bickering states walked away from the talks.

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The Colony of Victoria, established in 1851 after separating from the Colony of New South Wales. Shortly after, one of the largest gold rushes of all time occurred, increasing Victoria's population at a staggering rate that by the time Melbourne was celebrating its 50th birthday since it was a single tent, it was the second largest city in the British Empire (after London of course). In 1890 a deep recession came in, crumbling the colonies economy.When the notion of Federation came in 1901, Victoria was seeing a huge swell in economic upturn, recovering from the 1890's depression, refused, believing that its wealth would be dispersed into the newer states. Therefore the Federation of "the Commonwealth of Australia" crumbled as New South Wales also walked away. Immigration from and exports to Great Britain provided Victoria a second "Gold Rush", Melbourne flourished in the start of the century as the "Greatest City of the Southern Hemisphere". As colony of Britain, Victoria provided troops during the Maori Wars, the Boer Wars, the Boxer Rebellion and as war begun in Europe, Victoria offered up 46,000 Men in the first year of the war and a further 8,000 during the rest of the war. At home, a coast watch spanning 2500km employed at its peak, 1200 men and women, including fishermen,remote farmers, Lighthouse attendants, Harbour masters and Cross country messengers. This watch, combined with Bass Strait patrols by Victorian and Tasmanian ships, occasionally encountered a handful of German Raiders in the opening years of the War but The twenties provided Victoria with a boom-time before the bust of the early thirties. War once again embroiled Europe and Victoria this time was able to assist her sister colonies and the British Australian Station in holding a very close line with Japan in the Coral Sea and Torres Strait after Queensland held Papua fell quickly. Also helping with Tasmania/New Zealand's concern about southern Axis submarine patrols and Commerce raiders, the Victorian Defense Force saw service in Europe Africa and Asia, the Atlantic, Southern, Pacific and Indian Oceans as they fought alongside other colonials and the allies.

Post-War, Victoria committed itself along with it's colonial sisters to the Malaysian Crisis, the Korean War, the Falklands War and the Global War on Terror. Amidst growing republican and Federation sentiment, referendums in 1999 and 2014 both confirmed Victoria's current status as an autonomous possession of the United Kingdom

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Post subject: Re: Colony of Victoria (AU)Posted: August 7th, 2013, 7:59 pm
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Ships of the Colony

Monitors

Cruisers/Gunboats

Torpedo Boats/Destroyers
Point Class
Cape Class(Refit)
HMVS Gordon
HMVS Childers

Patrol/Sloops
HMVS Victoria (I)

Auxillaries
HMVS Vulcan
HMVS Commisioner
Elder Gun Barge

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Post subject: Re: Colony of Victoria (AU)Posted: August 7th, 2013, 7:59 pm
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Post subject: Re: Colony of Victoria (AU)Posted: August 7th, 2013, 8:00 pm
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Post subject: Re: Colony of Victoria (AU)Posted: August 7th, 2013, 8:21 pm
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Point Class-

Point Class, Colony of Victoria Torpedo Boat laid down 1905

Displacement:
177 t light; 183 t standard; 196 t normal; 206 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(165.53 ft / 165.03 ft) x 15.49 ft x (6.50 / 6.72 ft)
(50.45 m / 50.30 m) x 4.72 m x (1.98 / 2.05 m)

Armament:
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.04lbs / 1.38kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
2 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg
2 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m torpedoes - 0.784 t each, 1.568 t total
In 1 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
No drive to shaft, 2 shafts, 4,658 ihp / 3,475 Kw = 25.07 kts
Range 2,000nm at 7.27 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 23 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
26 - 34

Cost:
£0.024 million / $0.096 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 tons, 1.4 %
- Guns: 1 tons, 0.6 %
- Torpedoes: 2 tons, 0.8 %
Armour: 2 tons, 1.2 %
- Armament: 2 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 126 tons, 64.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 47 tons, 23.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 19 tons, 9.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
35 lbs / 16 Kg = 11.1 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.40
Metacentric height 0.5 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 8.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 39 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.60

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.413 / 0.420
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.66 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.85 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.50 ft / 0.15 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m
- Average freeboard: 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 208.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 62.0 %
Waterplane Area: 1,586 Square feet or 147 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 12 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 14 lbs/sq ft or 68 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.46
- Longitudinal: 1.81
- Overall: 0.53
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is extremely poor
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

Designed to replace the aging and entirely obsolete Lonsdale and Nepean, the Point Class was the Colonies first attempt at a 20th century combat vessel. The design phase was slow and added 40t to the displacement as 4 years of development was contributed, by the end of 1903 the design was complete but budgeting saw construction delayed by 14 months. Governor Brassey had a large amount of input, but regardless the ships were considered mediocre by the standards of 1905 but were a vast improvement over the previous boats which they were to replace eventually.

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Point Class, Colony of Victoria Torpedo Boat laid down 1905

Displacement:
177 t light; 183 t standard; 196 t normal; 206 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(165.53 ft / 165.03 ft) x 15.49 ft x (6.50 / 6.72 ft)
(50.45 m / 50.30 m) x 4.72 m x (1.98 / 2.05 m)

Armament:
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.04lbs / 1.38kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
2 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg
2 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m torpedoes - 0.784 t each, 1.568 t total
In 1 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
No drive to shaft, 2 shafts, 4,658 ihp / 3,475 Kw = 25.07 kts
Range 2,000nm at 7.27 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 23 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
26 - 34

Cost:
£0.024 million / $0.096 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 tons, 1.4 %
- Guns: 1 tons, 0.6 %
- Torpedoes: 2 tons, 0.8 %
Armour: 2 tons, 1.2 %
- Armament: 2 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 126 tons, 64.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 47 tons, 23.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 19 tons, 9.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
35 lbs / 16 Kg = 11.1 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.40
Metacentric height 0.5 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 8.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 39 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.60

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.413 / 0.420
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.66 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.85 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.50 ft / 0.15 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m, 6.50 ft / 1.98 m
- Average freeboard: 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 208.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 62.0 %
Waterplane Area: 1,586 Square feet or 147 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 12 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 14 lbs/sq ft or 68 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.46
- Longitudinal: 1.81
- Overall: 0.53
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is extremely poor
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

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Post subject: Re: Colony of Victoria (AU)Posted: August 7th, 2013, 10:09 pm
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nice fore and aft views


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Post subject: Re: Colony of Victoria (AU)Posted: August 8th, 2013, 7:42 am
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Very nice work. :)

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Post subject: Re: Colony of Victoria (AU)Posted: August 11th, 2013, 3:24 pm
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Thanks guys! :)

Updated with
*corrected B-side
*added early War-time paint scheme
*added HMSAS Sir William Jervois as completed
*added HMVS Wilson's COA

Coming soon
*Point class 1916, 1920's, 1939, 1945
*1915 2000t 'Destroyer-Cruiser' class + B-side
*1888 Protected Cruiser (actually got my hands on the plan and will be appearing in Never Build as well)

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Post subject: Re: Colony of Victoria (AU)Posted: August 13th, 2013, 3:49 pm
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Something I'm playing with in between working on Heuhen's crest
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2000t Torpedo-Cruiser, Colony of Victoria Flotilla Leader laid down 1914

Displacement:
1,822 t light; 1,893 t standard; 2,441 t normal; 2,879 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(384.00 ft / 382.00 ft) x 35.50 ft x (12.00 / 13.66 ft)
(117.04 m / 116.43 m) x 10.82 m x (3.66 / 4.16 m)

Armament:
5 - 4.00" / 102 mm 40.0 cal guns - 30.67lbs / 13.91kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
Weight of broadside 153 lbs / 70 kg
12 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.791 t each, 9.495 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 36,000 shp / 26,856 Kw = 30.63 kts
Range 3,000nm at 18.53 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 986 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
173 - 225

Cost:
£0.329 million / $1.316 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 31 tons, 1.3 %
- Guns: 21 tons, 0.9 %
- Torpedoes: 9 tons, 0.4 %
Armour: 12 tons, 0.5 %
- Armament: 12 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 1,344 tons, 55.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 436 tons, 17.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 619 tons, 25.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
603 lbs / 274 Kg = 18.8 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 2.03
Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 8.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.544
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.76 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.54 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 30.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forward deck: 0.00 %, 10.60 ft / 3.23 m, 10.60 ft / 3.23 m
- Aft deck: 70.00 %, 10.60 ft / 3.23 m, 10.60 ft / 3.23 m
- Quarter deck: 0.00 %, 10.60 ft / 3.23 m, 10.60 ft / 3.23 m
- Average freeboard: 13.42 ft / 4.09 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 180.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.8 %
Waterplane Area: 9,246 Square feet or 859 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 78 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 137 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 0.79
- Overall: 0.53
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

Still very much a WIP however

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Post subject: Re: Colony of Victoria (AU)Posted: August 13th, 2013, 3:52 pm
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Seams that you are using the wrong link. you must use the public one!

Oh. BTW. when I am finish with my ship. I'll Pm it to you... so when you are finish with the crest, you can post the entire thing...y.


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