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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: March 19th, 2014, 1:12 pm
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And a preview of what will appear in Aegean Sea(and Ionian Sea) in near future (around 2018-2020)

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As it seen with careful look on the design, tail is double with the edges curved a bit upward. The Pr.1222 used forced air bleed from engines to this fuselage vents and though narrow channels inside the wing. As speed increases, the air vents closing gradually. When Pr.1222 flies at 5-20m above sea, all air vents are closed.


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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: March 19th, 2014, 2:10 pm
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Radar outfit seems to be reasonable for the age. I'm not so sure about the SSM:s though, since, in general, they began to enter service around 1974/75 only, though there were exceptions, such as the Soviet Styx.

As for the boats, they do look a tad crude, especially with the constantly increasing standards established at SB. You can scavenge any of my Audace-class or de la Penne-class for Italian auxiliary boats, for instance. The personnel motor launch on davits and on your 02-level can best be represented with an equivalent type from the US boats sheet.

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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: March 19th, 2014, 5:42 pm
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I have said before that Adis I accepted for service in November 1969 and Elli CLass were among the first ships received them in 1970-1971 refit. I prefer to use US-origin boats here, but which fit in the timeline of these cruisers conversion to CLG?


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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: March 19th, 2014, 5:53 pm
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Look at my CLG:s, there's your answer!

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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: March 20th, 2014, 5:47 am
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bezobrazov wrote:
Look at my CLG:s, there's your answer!
Could you send me link or ship names to check, please?


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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: March 20th, 2014, 9:28 am
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The Elli CLG looks nice at a glance, but the ekranoplane could use some shading, especially under the engines, horizontal stabilizer and "wings", as now it looks bit flat. ;)


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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: March 20th, 2014, 1:35 pm
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A caution though: your Elli may need to have a different configuration, but these are the boats used by the CLG:s.

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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: March 21st, 2014, 8:12 am
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Thanks, I edited with the new boats. However, I used the 33' long instead of the 40' due to available space.


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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: March 22nd, 2014, 10:51 am
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Immediately after Hellenic Kingdom entered NATO in 1949, US assistance started. Among the first aircraft given where several ex-USN Consolidated PB4Y and about 50-60 Douglas C-47. Some more PB4Y acquired in 1950's, raising its number to 20 airframes. The new squadron of Royal Hellenic Naval Aviation, 353th Naval Squadron was created to operate the PB4Y, with 12 airframes in service, rest 8 dismantled for spares. They serve almost unchanged until late 1950's, when RHN decide to upgrade to their systems.

Already from 1954, MARAC Electronics had started to work on a maritime reconnaissance radar, designated M51, capable of detecting enemy surface ships and surfaced submarines for the PB4Y. The aircraft could hit itself submarines with depth charges and torpedoes and for surface ships cooperated with fighters equipped with rockets. The M51 radar was placed in the nose of an retired RHAF B-24 Liberator (in my scenario RHAF used Liberators in WW2 and post war until mid 1950's) for testing. Tests were successful and in late 1960 first PB4Y-M was ready for service. Inside, several electronics form HU-16 Albatross and P-2 Neptune were installed, replacing the WW2 era systems. Also the roof gun turrets were removed and engines were upgated to HU-16 spec, developing now 1425hp each. Although the PB4Y-M did not had MAD (as the TN P5M Marlins), it was far superior than before. The M51 had also a limited capability of detecting large fighters or transport aircraft, with is antenna positioned horizontal instead of downwards and this capability led to the ill-fated AEW radar M291, developed in 1970's. But this is another story and involves the Bristol Britannia.

RHN PB4Ys very early in their career were called to real action for Korean War. Sadly, from 4 airframes went in Korea one never return back.

PB4Y were stationed also in Messimvria Naval Base in Black Sea since early 1950's and those were destined to be the last PB4Y in service, until well into the 1970's. A PB4Y-M modified to test platform for the Navy and flied for several more years in that role. Today only 2 PB4Y survive, one was downgraded to original set up and the other remained in -M spec (the ex-test platform). Most airframes retained the characteristic "USN Blue" color in their career and only a handful repainted to light grey similar with P-3H Orion in 1970's. The 353th Naval Squadron today has in service the P-3H Orion Mk2.

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For creating the radar dome, I used the nose radar from the Argentine L-188 Electra as design base, creating a new dome for the PB4Y (which came from the ROCAF one).


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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: March 22nd, 2014, 3:40 pm
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Look nice.


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