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Post subject: Re: Fast battleship challenge!Posted: May 13th, 2018, 2:29 pm
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That's indeed one of the best looking Japanese ship I've ever seen. Magnificent work Garlic.

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Post subject: Re: Fast battleship challenge!Posted: May 13th, 2018, 3:24 pm
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Looks like you simply modified your previous Owari class.

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Post subject: Re: Fast battleship challenge!Posted: May 14th, 2018, 1:05 pm
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Hi Folks

First, thanks to everyone who liked it!

Second: I'd never want to upset poor Krakatoa, so here's the stats in a nutshell:

Suruga, Japanese battleship
Laid down: October 3rd, 1938 at Yokosuka Naval Yard
Launched: August 28th, 1940
Completed: July 21st, 1942
Commissioned: September 5th, 1942
Displacement: 46.050 ts standard / 50.100 ts load / 52.400 ts extra deep load
Dimensions: 252m LPP / 261m LOA / 35,6m max beam / 9,2m mean draught
Machinery: 4-shaft Kampon geared turbines, 12 Kampon narrow-tube boilers, 152.000 shp designed power
Speed: 30,0 kts designed, 30,18 kts max trial with 167.335 shp, sea speed with designed hp 29,30 kts
Range; 8.000 nm at 14 kts
Armour: belt 360mm (15° inclined) over citadel, ends without vertical armour; deck forward 50mm, citadel 180mm, aft 120mm, box over steering gear 270mm, Turrets 410mm front, 270mm roof, 270mm side, 270mm rear; barbettes 360mm; fore CT 410mm (no aft CT installed); torpedo bulkhead 75mm (internal protective bulge 5m max on either side)
Armament: 4x2 406mm L/45 guns (90 rpg); 4 (from 10/1943: 0) x3 155mm L/60 guns (150 rpg); 6 (from 12/1943: 10) x2 127mm L/40 DP guns (300 rpg, from 12/1943: 400 rpg), 8x3 25mm L/72 AA autocannon (6.000 rpg) - later up to 32x3, 4x2 and 24x1 25mm (total 142), 8.000 rpg - 2 catapults, up to 5 aircraft (usually 3 E13A or E16A carried)
Crew 2.100 max

Third: @ shigure - check again

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Post subject: Fast battleship challenge!Posted: May 14th, 2018, 6:41 pm
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I kept my design strictly under the Washington Treaty limits:

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Post subject: Re: Fast battleship challenge!Posted: May 14th, 2018, 6:49 pm
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If I ignore the "ew" thing the underwater hull is, this is starting to look not too bad Pepe! Try to modify the masts and superstructure to give it an uniform shading style though, right now some parts seem to mismatch.

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Post subject: Re: Fast battleship challenge!Posted: May 14th, 2018, 7:33 pm
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it's what I call a start. or what we would call the base drawing.. now the detail work start, and if you do those details good the drawing will be good. you can take one of the awesome Iowa drawing and remove all the details... and then you have a basic drawing....


Here some fast points:
- how big is that rudder!
- the bilge keel, isn't something placed random, it follow the shape of the hull.... most of the time!
- shading som dark, that they are almost in another dimension...


There is a reason they only want 1 drawing from each artist, it is so an artist can use a lot of time on a drawing. drawing a Battleship isn't not done in 2-3 hours... like this one, you have still a lot of time, in to next month, use that time to make the drawing good.

Normally a battleship drawing or aircraft carrier drawing is done over several days, weeks... months. heck on one of my frigate drawings, I used 2 months, before I was happy.... and I am not finish with it yet!


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Post subject: Re: Fast battleship challenge!Posted: May 14th, 2018, 8:27 pm
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Well, Owari and Suruga are just ridiculously pretty, Garlic.


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Post subject: Re: Fast battleship challenge!Posted: May 15th, 2018, 3:17 am
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Good evening, guys.
Hi Deskjetser:
I want to participate in this interesting challenge. But as I have a slow (or very slow) drawing rate, may I ask for more time? With the aditional benefit than more artists will sent their drawings. Cheers.

PS: I am just in the "feasibility" phase. As my AU navy is a minor naval power, I will not get a super-fastbattleship. I will be very happy if my desing can withstand against a modernized Queen Elizabeth, or ran against the Rodney. Must be able to hurt any of the remaining battlecruisers of the RN (my AU navy is in good relation with the British Empire, but the RN sets the pace), but at max. range, must be able to withstand a 15 inch shell.


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Post subject: Re: Fast battleship challenge!Posted: May 15th, 2018, 10:51 pm
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reytuerto wrote: *
I want to participate in this interesting challenge. But as I have a slow (or very slow) drawing rate, may I ask for more time? With the aditional benefit than more artists will sent their drawings. Cheers.
The challenge runs for at least 30 days, there is no end date as of yet. This is to be decided.

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Post subject: Re: Fast battleship challenge!Posted: May 18th, 2018, 5:40 pm
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I'm not really interested in this challenge... but I do have something old on my computer.... that I gave a little update.
but at least I can post a drawing.

This is a drawing from my AU Caledonia!

Normally I do not withe a long text, but I can try!
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Conquer class

in the early 30's Caledonia started to look at replacement for there aging Dreadnought-battleships. The Navy wanted something that wasn't to big, that had a descent allround firepower, so it could be used in various task, and not only be a "all" big gun ship, with a decent fleet speed and range. The challenge to design that class of ships, was given to the Navy engineer and Havok industris main Naval shipyard. The class was launched throughout the 40's.

Design

4 ship in the class, the last ship in class had a different AA layout than the first ship in class. as Designed she was to carry: 2 twin 15" and 1 triple 15" long barreled Havok main guns with limited AA capability; 2 triple 7" duel purpose guns from Beffer Industry; 8 twin 5" Havok duel purpose guns; 10 quad 40mm Bofors; 43 single and twin 20mm and variuse handheld guns. later some of the 20mm was replaced by 40mm bofors.
A steam powered turbines delivered power to 4 screws giving the class a max speed around 28 to 31 knots, depending on which ship in class. with a range of above 12.000 nm.

The class was a bit unique armored:
- the belt armor was of various thickens, thickest parts was over the magazine and main part of machinery, other places it was of a thinner armor,
- box armor over some vital areas, but not everywhere, some places it was only protected armor layout.
- Decks went from Normal deck to protected deck to fully armored decks. some places there was multiple layer of armor plating.
-main part of the ship was divided up in many protected compartments and rest was just of a standard compartment layout, many of the lower deck compartments was designed to hold an Negative pressure, to try to reduce flooding-speed (and experiment the Navy did on this class)

History

Launched trough the 40's, they had a somewhat long service. Normally they would be operating in Caledonia water's, but time to time they was sendt out to support allied forces. they was seen in artillery support in the Atlantic and in the Pacific water, where these 15" long barreled guns showed of it's ability to hit accurate compared to other guns and it's long range capability. HMoCS Conquest was the only ship in the class that engaged a Japanese force, HMoCS Conquest and it's escort was outnumbered by the Japanese force, but in the retreat battle where HMoCS Conquest covered it's escort, delivered serious damage to the Japanese force, before it managed to disconnect, HMoCS Conquest received some damaged but non that put the ship out of the action.

After WW2 they saw various extensive upgrades, here guns was totally redesigned and modernized with new electronic and control systems, and all ships received improved radars. After all the upgrades two of them was put in a Caledonia Task force under command by FN. They saw action in Korea, giving support fire, they was also placed close to Vietnam, but never saw action during that war, they main task was to be an emergency support flotilla if US-forces needed extra support, if they had to pull out under fire, but was sone pulled back to Caledonia water. In the late 70's they was mothballed, at the main Navy base, docked in the old Navy dry-dock that wasn't in use, these docks was emptied for water and all four ships was welded to the dock, from then on they was used as barracks and training facility. during those years, they was placed there, they got refitted with new radars, for training purpose, as an navy officer said: "she have nice big platforms, perfect to place things on, with minimum effort!"

in the late 80's an idea among the community of having a navy day, where people could come on a cruise with Navy ships, was put forward. In the early 90's the parlament put up an separate budget for these navy days cruise. In 1995 the navy announced that together with the Navy museum and with a couple investors and full service and support from Havok industry and Beffer industry, Battleship HMoCS Conquer will be serviced and restored to working order and be used on Navy days cruise, where people will get the experience, Havok and Beffer was to restore it's guns with a more modern and safer weapons system. the biggest changes was done to the main guns, since there was a lot of space in them, Havok equipped them with programmed industrial robots that could do almost all heavy task inside the turret and thus reduced the risk to crew members, a system that was more than good enough for use under navy day cruise.

first Batch, light AA-armarment:
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Second Batch, improved AA-armarment:
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Conquer class
Battleship (Heavy, Caledonia standard), artillery support ship
designed: 30's
launched: 40's
ordered: 6
build: 4
in service: 1 as a fully operational museum ship
mothballed/training platform/barracks: 3
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Length: 241 meters
Beam: 31 meters
draft: 9,21 meter standard, 10,8 meter max
Displacement: from 40.000 tons to max 52.000 tons
powerplant: 8 boilers, 4 turbines; 190 000 hp
Speed: 28 knots for the first ship, 31 knots on the last ships, with improved engines
Range: up to 12.000nm
crew: 2000+-
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Armour:
Belts: Main 14", ends down to 4", upper up to 8"; main belt cover up to 100% of the ship length with bot external and internal armor
Torpedo bulkhead: max 6" in important location 3 to 4" in other areas.

Gun Armor:
Main guns: face; maximum 19", minimum 10"; Barbette/hoist 8"; other armor on gun up to 5"
2nd guns: face; Max. 7", avg. 5"; barbette; up to 8" at the most
3rd guns: face; 3"; other: 3"
40 mm: up to max 2" or more with added plating (spaced armor)

various other type of protection system/technology:
- magazine designed to blow out of the ship, to prevent sinking of the ship.
- certain bellow deck areas are holding a high air pressure
- magazine designed to be able to be flooded very fast.
- designed to be able to float, even if the engine room have been destroyed.

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Armarment V1.:
2 X twin 15" Havok Mk56 long barreled main guns with limited AA capability, firing superheavy shells (can be upgraded to twin 16.4" main guns, by change of barrel and hoist, rest is made ready for)
1 X twin 15" Havok Mk56 long barreled main guns with limited AA capability, firing superheavy shells (can be upgraded to twin 16.4" main guns, by change of barrel and hoist, rest is made ready for)
2 X triple 7" Beffer Mk70 Duel purpose guns
8 X twin 5" Havok Mark 96 Duel purpose guns
10 X Quad 40mm Bofors AA guns
43 X twin and twin 12.7mm and 20 mm AA machine guns

Armarment V2.:
2 X twin 15" Havok Mk56 long barreled main guns with limited AA capability, firing superheavy shells (can be upgraded to twin 16.4" main guns)
1 X twin 15" Havok Mk56 long barreled main guns with limited AA capability, firing superheavy shells (can be upgraded to twin 16.4" main guns, by change of barrel and hoist, rest is made ready for)
2 X triple 7" Beffer Mk70 Duel purpose guns
8 X twin 5" Havok Mark 96 Duel purpose guns
16 X Quad 40mm Bofors AA guns
37 X twin and twin 12.7mm and 20 mm AA machine guns
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Aircraft facility: under deck hangar with space for 3 aircraft's and 1 aircraft on launcher, and one aircraft on ready position on deck total 5 aircraft. Designed for but not installed with, aft deck aircraft launcher for small aircraft.


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Late war version, max AA-armarment:
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Armarment late war version:
2 X twin 15" Havok Mk56 Version B. long barreled main guns with limited AA capability, firing superheavy shells (version B: improved gun system, improved gun barrel, increased elevation)
1 X twin 15" Havok Mk56 long barreled main guns with limited AA capability, firing superheavy shells (can be upgraded to twin 16.4" main guns, by change of barrel and hoist, rest is made ready for)
2 X triple 7" Beffer Mk70 Duel purpose guns
8 X twin 5" Havok Mark 105 Duel purpose guns
19 X Quad 40mm Bofors AA guns
40 X twin and twin 12.7mm and 20 mm AA machine guns


One of the many variant it was modified to during it's late carrier (and also when it was used as testplattform)
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will perhaps adjust.. if someone notice something wrong!

Those that want to can run some numbers in SpringSharp, if they want!


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