» »

Moderator: Community Manager
[Post Reply] [*]  Page 3 of 6  [ 57 posts ]  Go to page « 1 2 3 4 5 6 »
[Print view]
Author Message
TurretHead
Post subject: Re: 98m Basic designPosted: September 7th, 2010, 5:03 am
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 193
Joined: July 31st, 2010, 10:38 am
Location: End of a bad sci fi movie.
erik_t wrote:
I struggle mightily to think of what a double-ended gunboat could do that a single-ended one could not.
Well keep shooting naval gunfire support when a gun turret has a mechanical failure is one thing. If you read a bit about naval coastal operations like Operation Seadragon in Vietnam and the Falklands War you find that this is a major issue. NGS is carried out for hours not just a single shot or two and mechanically reliability is a major issue. Two gun turrets also doubles your rate of fire when both are working. And they enable you to keep shooting at any target no matter how you have to steer your ship.
erik_t wrote:
Particularly since a single LGB would be the end of this critter.
Well it’s a WIP and I haven’t drawn in the air defence system because I haven’t worked out wether to go with VLS or a trainable launcher. It does have two turrets for twin automatic cannons in the 35-45mm range so is not helpless against air threats without the SAMs. Anyway most navies that are bombarding other peoples coasts tend to have support from their own carriers and the like. So air defence is not a major issue otherwise it would be a 5,000 ton ship with a big missile system.
Top
[Profile] [Quote]
TurretHead
Post subject: Re: 98m Basic designPosted: September 7th, 2010, 9:45 am
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 193
Joined: July 31st, 2010, 10:38 am
Location: End of a bad sci fi movie.
Here is my finished version.

[ img ]

Armament is:

2x 105mm gun turrets (fore and aft)
2x twin 35mm gun turrets (fore and aft)
2x eight cell Mk 41 VLS (SDSS size, port and starboard)
2x twin 324mm torpedo tubes (port and starboard)
4x six barrel 7.62mm Miniguns (each quarter)

The VLS can carry 32 ESSM radar guided missiles and 32 Delilah trimode guided long range surface attack missiles using quad packed canisters. Radar fit is the CEA CEAFAR search and tracking radar and CEAMOUNT illuminators for ESSM. The flight deck has no hangar but can refuel and rearm shore based helicopters.

Edit: Update from 'clean' to finished.
Top
[Profile] [Quote]
acelanceloet
Post subject: Re: 98m Basic designPosted: September 7th, 2010, 2:38 pm
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 7497
Joined: July 28th, 2010, 12:25 pm
Location: the netherlands
when it has no hangar, the helicopter shouldn't be showed landed on the deck. speaking of the heli: what type is it? I've never seen it before, it looks like an bell-kamov design :D

_________________
Drawings are credited with J.Scholtens
I ask of you to prove me wrong. Not say I am wrong, but prove it, because then I will have learned something new.
Shipbucket Wiki admin


Top
[Profile] [Quote]
Archimage
Post subject: Re: 98m Basic designPosted: September 9th, 2010, 4:31 pm
Offline
Posts: 13
Joined: September 3rd, 2010, 12:30 am
Location: Dexter's Laboratory
Minor netpick from the newbie, TurrentHead, but your right hand landing strut for the landed heli is missing from behind the railing, only the left one is visible. :)

Also, I am interested as well. What type of heli is it?

_________________
"Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and tactical nukes."

Channel operator for #Shipbucket, the IRC channel all things Shipbucket. Click here!
Top
[Profile] [Quote]
TurretHead
Post subject: Re: 98m Basic designPosted: September 9th, 2010, 11:17 pm
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 193
Joined: July 31st, 2010, 10:38 am
Location: End of a bad sci fi movie.
The helicopter is the AVX Aircraft Company upgrade proposal for the Bell OH-58D which I uploaded to the Planebucket thread a few weeks ago.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=47&start=0

http://www.avxaircraft.com/technology.html

I drew the helo landing side on because the flight deck is of short length and designed for this helicopter to land that way. Even though the ship doesn’t hangar a helo I thought it would be worth drawing in to show that it is a non standard flight deck.

It is just an optical illusion that the left landing strut is missing. Because it is only one pixel wide it aligns to the one pixel wide part of the railing mesh and disappears. I moved the helo around quite a bit but one of the struts kept disappearing. I might redraw the struts so they are not where they should be on the aircraft but so you can see it through the mesh. Or I could just draw the helo coming into land so it isn’t on the flight deck and the mesh won’t be covering the struts. Win, win?

[ img ]
Top
[Profile] [Quote]
squizzy
Post subject: Re: 98m Basic designPosted: September 14th, 2010, 11:16 am
Offline
Posts: 173
Joined: July 29th, 2010, 1:52 am
Location: Adelaide, S.A Australia
Contact: Yahoo Messenger
Ok here's my view of another 98mtr Basic design concept using rifleman's basic hull form. I've redesigned/remodeled the superstructure however to follow very closely along the lines of other proven designed and built Vosper Thornycroft naval frigates and corvettes in service with other navies. This concept being in the mid-late 90's era

[ img ]

_________________
[ img ]

"The British Air Farce have droopped their bums on the water works..They have scored a direct hot on the pimps"- British agent/gendarme Officer Crabtree, "Allo,Allo."
Top
[Profile] [Quote]
Portsmouth Bill
Post subject: Re: 98m Basic designPosted: September 14th, 2010, 5:54 pm
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 3220
Joined: August 16th, 2010, 7:45 am
Location: Cambridge United Kingdom
So far I prefer Squizzy's design on the original concept. Fot a start the hull is a better shape for that size; and he's concentrated on a getting the best fit without a helicopter capability. It would suit navies with shore based air support.
Top
[Profile] [Quote]
Novice
Post subject: Re: 98m Basic designPosted: September 14th, 2010, 7:28 pm
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 4126
Joined: July 27th, 2010, 5:25 am
Location: Vrijstaat
PB!
Seeing your post here made me wonder if you have seen my take (end of page 1 of this thread)

_________________
[ img ] Thank you Kim for the crest

"Never fear to try on something new. Remember that the Titanic was built by professionals, and the Ark by an amateur"
Top
[Profile] [Quote]
squizzy
Post subject: Re: 98m Basic designPosted: September 15th, 2010, 9:02 am
Offline
Posts: 173
Joined: July 29th, 2010, 1:52 am
Location: Adelaide, S.A Australia
Contact: Yahoo Messenger
Portsmouth Bill wrote:
So far I prefer Squizzy's design on the original concept. Fot a start the hull is a better shape for that size; and he's concentrated on a getting the best fit without a helicopter capability. It would suit navies with shore based air support.
Thanks for your comment PB! The design does fit in well in the high end Green water/ Coastal-Littoral operations role with a limited Blue water fleet escort capability.
Novice wrote:
Bombhead
Wrong pennant number. this class of ship should be either F (frigate or escort) or P (patrol craft).
The letter C is reserved for cruisers
That's very true under the NATO & Royal Navy ships letter Designation system. The Letter "K" is reserved for use when classifying the "Corvettes" unless your either the Armada del Ecuador (Ecuador Navy) or the Marinha do Brasil (Brazilian Navy). Ecuador does use the letter "C" designation in identifying the Corvette in that navies service in which they currently use the letters "CM" meaning "Corvette Missile" while Brazil on the other hand use the letter "V" to identify the corvettes in their Naval service.

_________________
[ img ]

"The British Air Farce have droopped their bums on the water works..They have scored a direct hot on the pimps"- British agent/gendarme Officer Crabtree, "Allo,Allo."
Top
[Profile] [Quote]
Novice
Post subject: Re: 98m Basic designPosted: September 15th, 2010, 10:30 am
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 4126
Joined: July 27th, 2010, 5:25 am
Location: Vrijstaat
squizzy wrote:
That's very true under the NATO & Royal Navy ships letter Designation system. The Letter "K" is reserved for use when classifying the "Corvettes" unless your either the Armada del Ecuador (Ecuador Navy) or the Marinha do Brasil (Brazilian Navy). Ecuador does use the letter "C" designation in identifying the Corvette in that navies service in which they currently use the letters "CM" meaning "Corvette Missile" while Brazil on the other hand use the letter "V" to identify the corvettes in their Naval service.
Portsmouth Bill wrote:
So far I prefer Squizzy's design on the original concept. Fot a start the hull is a better shape for that size; and he's concentrated on a getting the best fit without a helicopter capability. It would suit navies with shore based air support.
Thanks for your comment PB! The design does fit in well in the high end Green water/ Coastal-Littoral operations role with a limited Blue water fleet escort capability.
Novice wrote:
Bombhead
Wrong pennant number. this class of ship should be either F (frigate or escort) or P (patrol craft).
The letter C is reserved for cruisers
That's very true under the NATO & Royal Navy ships letter Designation system. The Letter "K" is reserved for use when classifying the "Corvettes" unless your either the Armada del Ecuador (Ecuador Navy) or the Marinha do Brasil (Brazilian Navy). Ecuador does use the letter "C" designation in identifying the Corvette in that navies service in which they currently use the letters "CM" meaning "Corvette Missile" while Brazil on the other hand use the letter "V" to identify the corvettes in their Naval service.
The reason for my remark about the penant number was the fact that Bombhead drew his version with the White Ensign, which in my eyes means Royal Navy, and in that time scale C is for cruisers.
during WW2 K was for various anti-submarine escorts, namely Flower & Castle classes corvettes, River, Loch & Bay classes frigates, while cruisers did not carry their penant numbers at all.

_________________
[ img ] Thank you Kim for the crest

"Never fear to try on something new. Remember that the Titanic was built by professionals, and the Ark by an amateur"
Top
[Profile] [Quote]
Display: Sort by: Direction:
[Post Reply]  Page 3 of 6  [ 57 posts ]  Return to “Personal Designs” | Go to page « 1 2 3 4 5 6 »

Jump to: 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests

The team | Delete all board cookies | All times are UTC


cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited
[ GZIP: Off ]