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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:13 am 
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Well i was reading a US Congress file about DDG-51 & DDG-1000, they were talking about the future.
In the file they spoke about a ''New-Design Destroyer''

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New-Design Destroyer
Another option would be to design and procure a new-design destroyer that is intermediate in size between the DDG-51 and DDG-1000 designs, equipped with the AMDR, and capable of BMD operations. This option could be pursued as either a replacement for the Flight III DDG-51 or a successor to the Flight III DDG-51 (after some number of Flight III DDG-51s were procured).Such a ship might be designed with the following characteristics:

• a version of the AMDR that is larger than the one envisioned for the Flight III DDG-51, but smaller than the one envisioned for the CG(X);
• enough electrical power and cooling capacity to permit the ship to be backfitted in the future with an EMRG or high-power SSL;
• more growth margin than on the Flight III DDG-51;
• producibility features for reducing construction cost per ton that are more extensive than those on the DDG-51 design;
• automation features permitting a crew that is smaller than what can be achieved on a Flight III DDG-51, so as to reduce crew-related life-cycle ownership costs;
• physical open-architecture features that are more extensive than those on the Flight III DDG-51, so as to reduce modernization-related life-cycle ownershipcosts;
• no technologies not already on, or being developed for, other Navy ships, with the possible exception of technologies that would enable an integrated electricdrive system that is more compact than the one used on the DDG-1000; and
• DDG-51-like characteristics in other areas, such as survivability, maximum speed, cruising range, and weapons payload.

Such a ship might have a full load displacement of roughly 11,000 to 12,000 tons, compared to about 10,000 tons for the Flight III DDG-51, 15,000 or more tons for an AAW/BMD version of the DDG-1000, and perhaps 15,000 to 23,000 tons for a CG(X).[45]


[45] The cost and technical risk of developing the new destroyer’s hull design could be minimized by leveraging, where possible, existing surface combatant hull designs. The cost and technical risk of developing its combat system could be minimized by using a modified version of the DDG-51 or DDG-1000 combat system. Other development costs and risks for the new destroyer would be minimized by using no technologies not already on, or being developed for, other Navy ships (with the possible exception of some integrated electric drive technologies). Even with such steps, however,the cost and technical risk of developing the new destroyer would be greater than those of the Flight III DDG-51. The development cost of the new destroyer would likely be equivalent to the procurement cost of at least one destroyer, and possibly two destroyers.The procurement cost of the new destroyer would be minimized by incorporating producibility features for reducing construction cost per ton that are more extensive than those on the Flight III DDG-51. Even with such features, the new destroyer would be more expensive to procure than the Flight III DDG-51, in part because the Flight III DDG-51 would leverage many years of prior production of DDG-51s. In addition, the new destroyer, as a new ship design, would pose more risk of procurement cost growth than would the Flight III DDG-51. The procurement cost of the new destroyer would nevertheless be much less than that of the CG(X), and might, after the production of the first few units, be fairlyclose to that of the Flight III DDG-51.


So i was wondering what you guys would comeup with. I am realy interested in what a future US Destroyer could look like.

Just 1 restriction: It has to be a naval ship:P not a space destroyer :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:48 am 
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My in progress FFLX design pretty much covers this, just need to increase the tonnage and ad strike and an AMDR.

Luckily I have the follow on DDLX on the drawing board already ;)

I posted about this already, but another option put forward by the navy to replace the Flight III is to up gun the LCS-1 to something other than useless (basically add VLS).


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:03 am 
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Shipright wrote:
My in progress FFLX design pretty much covers this, just need to increase the tonnage and ad strike and an AMDR.

Luckily I have the follow on DDLX on the drawing board already ;)

I posted about this already, but another option put forward by the navy to replace the Flight III is to up gun the LCS-1 to something other than useless (basically add VLS).


Well if you like , post your FFLX if its finished with the add on stuff.

Nah i dont think that LCS upgrades are a realistic option for this, they are corvettes if upgraded Light frigates , not destroyers :lol: Even if the yanks would love to say that they are

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:10 am 
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It appears I was wrong about the LCS upgrade, that was to be in ADDITION to the same new combatant you were talking about. Sorry! Article:

http://news.usni.org/2013/03/18/report- ... flight-iii


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:00 pm 
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I give you the Future Destroyer Guided Experimental (FDGX)

Edit: See page two.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:13 pm 
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Very nice!

I only wonder if a real USN DDG-FX will have harpoons and not have U(C)AVS.
But i like the design :D still got some DDG-51 in it but diference aswell

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:16 am 
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a few points on the FDGE
- I have doubts about the forward and aft coverage of the main radars (there are ones facing the sides, above the SLQ, but none aft and forward they are blocked by the SPG-62)
- I don't think you have enough air intakes for gas turbines
- the lack of CIWS forward........ seems not an good idea on as costly a ship
- why are the TT hatch and the 2 boat hatches all different? both in way of drawing, shape, colour, height from the main deck....
- are you sure the TT fits there, next to your hangar and your VLS?
- I see no TACAN or IFF, and the place where those would be, an mainmast
- I have doubts about harpoon being fitted, weren't they working on a replacement?
- are you sure there is nothing on there that should be credited? I am in doubt.....
- I see no capability against small surface craft.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:08 pm 
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Some of those like the TACAN and IFF can be accomplished by increasing the size of the integrated mast/deck house/whatever the arrays are in and using the flush mounted versions from DDG 1000 (which would fit into the challenges requirements to reuse those new systems). I believe the SLQ-32 can be flush mounted this way too but I need to look into this. Most of those SATCOM blisters as well.

Definetly need more intakes, especially if it is still rocking the DDG51 esque engineering line up that includes three GT generators on top of the four propulsion GTs.

Its missing a king post and and refueling stations.

Similar to the above critisison of the SVTT and boat hatches being different, why are the intakes on the forward and aft stacks different?

If this is rocking ESSM then I can understand the lack of forward CIWIS mount, the new Burkes are fitted for but not with one as well for this reason.

What is the large hatch looking think under the forward stack? Is that another boat deck or an intake with another artisitc style than the two stack styles?

The forward SPS062 is partially masked by the surface search radar in front of it. I wouldn't make a big deal about normally with not having a forwad CIWS you have zero way to shoot down ASMs coming from the forward arc about ten degrees to beam each side because you can't illuminate the target (I don't think CAW would work on that shot a timeline). I'd move the search radar to the top of the deck house, which would also get you 360 coverage and alleviate my next item...

Right now both your surface search/navigation radars are along the same axis and forward of the deck house. That deck house is pretty big and I bet blocks a good 50-60 degrees either side of the stern. Having a 120 degree permanent blind spot aft is not a recipe for safe navigation. Most ships solve this by mounting one of their surface radars out to one side a but so that the masking of each one is not the same so you can see 360 by combining both radar pictures. This is how the DDG51 addressed it (some 51s (and 47s)ships have an UNAUTHORIZED Furuno antenna added on the side of the bridge to further help.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:23 pm 
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Mast added. Forward RAM added. Fixed the hatches. Fixed intakes. Added 8 Sea Protectors. I`ll leave the Harpoons for now. As for crediting, most of the ship is built up from the Sejong the Great and the Eidsvold class destroyer. Found here viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3416&hilit=Sejong+the+Great and here viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3139


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:41 pm 
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No small boats? Or is that what that hatch below the SLQ-32s are? (BTW, you should probably go with the V3 version of the SLQ32, you have plenty or space on that deck for the sidekick.

The intakes between the two stacks are still differnt?

Are you rocking three generators or two (I think the AMDR mean s you must have three).

Can you explain what you are going for with your main array setup? It looks like you have three of the same array face on the three starboard faces of an octagonal deck house. That makes me wonder if your sustem requires an array facing directly aft and forward as you have one facing 90 port and starboard. Do the 45 degree arrays provide coverage fore and aft while also overlaping with those 90 arrays? If so whats the purpose of the overlap?

Also I assume the larger array on the port and starboard face is the AMDR. If so is there just not going to be coverage fore and aft?


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