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Author:  LtMaverick114 [ September 25th, 2017, 11:08 am ]
Post subject:  Karel Doorman class frigate replacement
I made a drawing of what I think can be a good replacement of the Karel Doorman class frigates for the Dutch Navy. I call it the Van Amstel class frigate. A modern frigate based off the Zeven Provinciën class FFG.
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Weapons:
Oto Melara 127mm Lightweigt gun
16 cell Mk.41 VLS
64x Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (quadpacked)
8x RGM-84F Harpoon
2x Twin MK32 Mod 9 torpedo launchers
Mk.46 Mod 5 Torpedo's
4x Remote controlled .50 cal M2 Browning
4x FN MAG .30 cal
Sensors:
SMART-S
SEA APAR
Coms intergrated mast
DECCA NAV navigation radar
Thales Nederland Scout radar
Thales Nederland Sirius IRST
MK XII IFF system
DSQS-24C sonar
Speed:
27 knots (50 Kph)
Range:
6900 nautical miles (12,778.8 kilometers)
Author:  Thiel [ September 25th, 2017, 11:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Karel Doorman class frigate replacement
I think you're grossly underestimating how much space that gun needs
Author:  Kannevets [ September 25th, 2017, 12:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Karel Doorman class frigate replacement
It certainly looks very good, though I agree with Thiel. Try the OTO 76?
Author:  heuhen [ September 25th, 2017, 4:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Karel Doorman class frigate replacement
dosent Karel Doorman class use the older version of that 127 mm gun
Author:  LtMaverick114 [ September 26th, 2017, 8:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Karel Doorman class frigate replacement
Thiel wrote: *September 25th, 2017, 11:23 am
I think you're grossly underestimating how much space that gun needs
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the gun has enough space for his systems and the Goalkeeper is not mounted in the center of the hangar but to the side
Author:  LtMaverick114 [ May 15th, 2018, 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Karel Doorman class frigate replacement
I improved the original design and made a new version with RAM and NSM those will replace the Goalkeeper and Harpoons.
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Author:  MC Spoilt B'stard [ May 24th, 2018, 12:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Karel Doorman class frigate replacement
I like the design but if you try to represent the currently planned Karel doorman replacement's i dont think it matches with the plans. For a personal design its fine might be a bit out-dated would fit better in 2000 - 2010 period.

The information that has been made public so far is not alot but enough to work with:

Weapons
- 76 mm Sovraponte / 76 mm or 127 mm on the bow ( renders show 76 mm sovraponte, documents suggest 127 mm )
- 76 mm Sovraponte on the hangar
- 16 cells mk41 strike lenght for ESSM and prepared for VL-ASROC / SM-3 / Tomahawk cruise missiles. ASROC is a dutch wish, SM-3 belgian and Tomahawk option is planned to be reviewd in 2020.
- mk54 torpedo's, mk 46's will be replaced from 2020, likely mk54 in combination with ASROC.
- Harpoons are being replaced by a new system very likely the NSM (cooperation with Norway and Germany has been announced)
- Work has started on the studies/development for a High Energy Laser for future use.

Radars
- SMART-S is a old rotating system, Thales announced the set up a few days ago.
- Sea Master 400 (SM-400) will be the E/F-band 3D radar, in the basic the same radar as the Holland OPV and Karel Doorman JSS. In a renewed plate (more range?)
- Apar Block 2 will be the X-band multifuntion radar for low level seach and guidance of the ESSM and SM missile family.
- Likely other Imast systems will be placed in the new frigates (ESM, ECM, EO, IFF, Comms)


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Latest release of the Imast for M-frigate replacement by Thales.

The top speed has been announced to be 25-26 knots, with Diesel-electric only. Gasturbines are deemed to expensive.
A very important detail to the new ships will be that the replacement for the Zeven Provincien class will be based upon the same design.
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