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Post subject: Re: ORP Władysław IV, a different MackensenPosted: September 28th, 2018, 6:35 pm
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Maybe because those planes "as it was intended" were as you mention... totally unrealistic. Only second 1920 plan was realistic, he was realistic in 1920 and it was realistic to 1939. Other planes... they are on the same level of realism just like rebuild of Mackensen.

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Post subject: Re: ORP Władysław IV, a different MackensenPosted: September 28th, 2018, 7:35 pm
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Colombamike wrote: *
Hi Archelaos :)
Instead to draw a polishised-Mackensen, totally unrealistic
Why do not you try to draw a polish battleship as it was intended :ugeek:

The real facts : Polish naval programmes 1920-1942

Russian Empire ships claimed by Poland in 1919-1921
- 2 Gangut-class Battleships
- 2 Svetlana-class cruisers (both unfinished)
- 10 destroyers
- 5 submarines

1st 1920 Plan (to be started around 1922/1924 & completed by 1928)
- 2 Battleships (these are NOT the Ganguts from above) :!: (probable french or british or US design)
- 6 Light Cruisers
- 28 Destroyers
- 45 Submarines

2nd 1920 Plan (revision of the 1st 1920 Plan)
- 1 Light Cruiser
- 4 Destroyers
- 2 Submarines

1924 Plan (revision of the 2nd 1920 Plan, to be started around 1925/1926 & completed around 1931)
- 2 Light Cruisers
- 6 Destroyers (2 finally delivered)
- 12 Submarines (3 finally delivered)

1936/37 naval programme (what the polish admirals wanted)
- 2 Battleships similar to the 1938/39 one probably meant to counter the German Scharnhorsts :!:
- 2 Heavy cruiser (10.000 tons, 3x3 203mm, 9 x 120mm AA guns, 4x2 Torpedoes, 100 000shp engine, 200mm Armour)
- 9 Destroyers
- 18 Submarines

1937/38 naval programme (what the polish admirals wanted)
- 3 Battleships (25 000 tons, 350mm Belt-armour, 120-140.000 shp engine, 3x3 305mm guns, 4x3 or 6x2 150mm guns, 2x3 Torpedoes) :!:
- 1 Aircraft Cruiser probably similar to the Swedish Gotland cruiser
- 12 Destroyers
- 21 Submarines

Proposed Naval Plan of 1942 (probably studied by late 1938/early spring 1939, to be started at 1942 and completed around 1946-1948)
- 1 Battleship :!:
- 1 Heavy Cruiser (15 000 tons, 3x3 203mm & 9 x 120mm guns)
- Severals Destroyers


In my opinion, try to draw :
- a 25 000-ton Polish battleship ;)
- a 10 000-ton Polish heavy cruiser ;)
A classic Shipbucket welcome.


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Bordkanone 75
Post subject: Re: ORP Władysław IV, a different MackensenPosted: September 28th, 2018, 8:27 pm
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That looks really nice! I can't wait for the final form of it.

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