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Post subject: Re: Britannian Destroyers.Posted: August 13th, 2012, 11:49 am
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There I have added draught and changed props.


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Post subject: Re: Britannian Destroyers.Posted: August 13th, 2012, 12:37 pm
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:roll: Right let us try something different. Below is a very quick springsharp of a vessel of similar size and what not but actually thought out instead of just drawing pixels and trying to persuade us that you've made things work. My advice is use this as a base for your weird unknown role ship and draw it accurately so you get a feel for the right proportions rather than slapping pixels together willy nilly....
Latin Class, Some weird AU Destroyer Leader laid down 1933

Displacement:
	3,305 t light; 3,593 t standard; 3,611 t normal; 3,625 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
	(459.32 ft / 451.59 ft) x 42.65 ft x (16.40 / 16.45 ft)
	(140.00 m / 137.65 m) x 13.00 m  x (5.00 / 5.01 m)

Armament:
      8 - 5.31" / 135 mm 45.0 cal guns - 75.71lbs / 34.34kg shells, 500 per gun
	  Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1933 Model
	  4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
		2 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 2.99" / 76.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 14.18lbs / 6.43kg shells, 1,000 per gun
	  Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
	  6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 691 lbs / 313 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      12 - 21.0" / 533 mm, 4.00 ft / 1.22 m torpedoes - 0.409 t each, 4.903 t total
	In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      3 - 21.0" / 533 mm, 4.00 ft / 1.22 m torpedoes - 0.409 t each, 1.226 t total
	In 1 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes
      Main DC/AS Mortars
      45 - 110.23 lbs / 50.00 kg Depth Charges - 2.214 t total
	in Depth charge throwers

Armour:
   - Box over machinery & magazines:
	0.79" / 20 mm
	Forecastle: 0.79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.79" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm, Aft 0.39" / 10 mm

Machinery:
	Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, 
	Geared drive, 2 shafts, 61,116 shp / 45,592 Kw = 34.00 kts
	Range 0nm at 15.00 kts
	Bunker at max displacement = 32 tons

Complement:
	232 - 302

Cost:
	£1.942 million / $7.769 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
	Armament: 164 tons, 4.6 %
	   - Guns: 149 tons, 4.1 %
	   - Weapons: 16 tons, 0.4 %
	Armour: 437 tons, 12.1 %
	   - Armour Deck: 425 tons, 11.8 %
	   - Conning Towers: 12 tons, 0.3 %
	Machinery: 1,664 tons, 46.1 %
	Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,020 tons, 28.2 %
	Fuel, ammunition & stores: 306 tons, 8.5 %
	Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0.6 %
	   - Above deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
	Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
	  1,035 lbs / 470 Kg = 13.8 x 5.3 " / 135 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
	Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
	Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
	Roll period: 14.1 seconds
	Steadiness	- As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
			- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.78
	Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
	Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
	  a normal bow and a cruiser stern
	Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.401
	Length to Beam Ratio: 10.59 : 1
	'Natural speed' for length: 21.25 kts
	Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
	Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 72
	Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
	Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
	Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
				Fore end,	 Aft end
	   - Forecastle:	10.00 %,  25.20 ft / 7.68 m,  22.66 ft / 6.91 m
	   - Forward deck:	30.00 %,  22.66 ft / 6.91 m,  22.66 ft / 6.91 m
	   - Aft deck:	40.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
	   - Quarter deck:	20.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
	   - Average freeboard:		16.36 ft / 4.99 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
	Space	- Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 169.5 %
		- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 156.2 %
	Waterplane Area: 11,856 Square feet or 1,101 Square metres
	Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 78 %
	Structure weight / hull surface area: 50 lbs/sq ft or 243 Kg/sq metre
	Hull strength (Relative):
		- Cross-sectional: 0.57
		- Longitudinal: 1.44
		- Overall: 0.62
	Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
	Excellent accommodation and workspace room
	Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
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ALVAMA
Post subject: Re: Britannian Destroyers.Posted: August 13th, 2012, 12:47 pm
APDAF wrote:
Read this first please. :x
APDAF wrote:
Yes she is heavily armed for a destroyer that is intention as she is a either a very heavy destroyer or a very light cruiser.
I don't like it when people don't read everything.
You know, people will use this comment against you, since you don't read too....


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Post subject: Re: Britannian Destroyers.Posted: August 13th, 2012, 2:50 pm
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Added name plague and ventilation shafts.


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Post subject: Re: Britannian Destroyers.Posted: August 13th, 2012, 2:57 pm
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That's it ignore everything we say... A name "plague" you say? That sounds about right to be fair in your case.

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Post subject: Re: Britannian Destroyers.Posted: August 13th, 2012, 3:07 pm
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Anyone want to make a bet when he will start moan "help me, help me" ?

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Post subject: Re: Britannian Destroyers.Posted: August 13th, 2012, 3:15 pm
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I don't HAVE to follow your advice to the letter but do I will try acknowledge it
I have read the SS report you have put together.

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Post subject: Re: Britannian Destroyers.Posted: August 13th, 2012, 3:21 pm
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This is not a spam ... this is just statement of facts. And could you answer finaly my question, I ask this 4th time.

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Post subject: Re: Britannian Destroyers.Posted: August 13th, 2012, 3:25 pm
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APDAF wrote:
It's not an armoured belt for Pete's sake I have already said that once. :x

If you look closer you will see that I put the torpedoes right next to the gaps between the funnels.

I was going to add draught anyway.
No one would paint a fake armor belt on a destroyer. It would actually encourage people to attack it because it make the boat look slower. (Armor belt=weight=can't go fast)
That still won't work:
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You're missing the point. Your draught is correct, but no destroyer was ever this tall until the late 30's to 40's. If you shrink the forward area under the bridge down, it will actually look more realistic. The same applies for all advice we give you.

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Post subject: Re: Britannian Destroyers.Posted: August 13th, 2012, 4:20 pm
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She is beamer than that and the ones by the funnels are triples not quads.

And it is not a fake armoured belt it is part of the paint scheme/livery.

And Rhade the closest role you would have for her IRL is a Rapid-cruiser or as a very fast light cruiser.


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