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gordo8000
Post subject: Re: Today's picture from the Web!Posted: October 25th, 2012, 12:07 pm
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Those things were so monstrously hideous that my iPad couldn't even load it! Literally, it couldn't load half of them because they were so large! My suggestion is that we KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!! (and by fire I mean naval gunfire, of course :lol: )

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Post subject: Re: Today's picture from the Web!Posted: October 25th, 2012, 12:41 pm
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6x 20 inch guns on a 24.000 tons hull? :lol:

I could not resist and made a SS repost for the "deadnaut" :lol:
burn, em down laid down 1950
DESIGN FAILURE: Overall load weight too much for hull

Displacement:
20.784 t light; 23.232 t standard; 24.062 t normal; 24.726 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(820,22 ft / 780,84 ft) x 131,23 ft x (16,40 / 16,73 ft)
(250,00 m / 238,00 m) x 40,00 m x (5,00 / 5,10 m)

Armament:
6 - 19,69" / 500 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3.846,50lbs / 1.744,74kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1950 Model
3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
2 raised mounts - superfiring
7 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 10,55lbs / 4,79kg shells, 450 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1950 Model
7 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 - 1,97" / 50,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,85lbs / 1,74kg shells, 2.000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1950 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 23.176 lbs / 10.512 kg
Main Torpedoes
280 - 1,3" / 32 mm, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m torpedoes - 0,242 t each, 67,787 t total
In 28 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Main DC/AS Mortars
24 - 220,46 lbs / 100,00 kg Depth Charges + 500 reloads - 51,572 t total
in Depth charge throwers

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 25,6" / 650 mm 292,82 ft / 89,25 m 13,75 ft / 4,19 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 58% of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
5,91" / 150 mm 292,82 ft / 89,25 m 14,44 ft / 4,40 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 124,67 ft / 38,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5,91" / 150 mm 5,91" / 150 mm 5,91" / 150 mm
2nd: 2,56" / 65 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 0,59" / 15 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 7 shafts, 401.640 shp / 299.623 Kw = 43,00 kts
Range 1.000nm at 27,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.493 tons

Complement:
965 - 1.255

Cost:
£33,081 million / $132,322 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3.615 tons, 15,0%
- Guns: 3.453 tons, 14,3%
- Weapons: 162 tons, 0,7%
Armour: 8.359 tons, 34,7%
- Belts: 5.272 tons, 21,9%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 924 tons, 3,8%
- Armament: 2.163 tons, 9,0%
Machinery: 9.609 tons, 39,9%
Hull, fittings & equipment: -798 tons, -3,3%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.278 tons, 13,6%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
37 lbs / 17 Kg = 0,0 x 19,7 " / 500 mm shells or 7,1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,78
Metacentric height 19,3 ft / 5,9 m
Roll period: 12,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 21 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,39
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,18

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,501 / 0,505
Length to Beam Ratio: 5,95 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 33,38 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 42,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 47,50%, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Forward deck: 19,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Aft deck: 18,50%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Average freeboard: 30,15 ft / 9,19 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 222,1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 412,5%
Waterplane Area: 71.067 Square feet or 6.602 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 50%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 1 lbs/sq ft or 5 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,00
- Longitudinal: 0,00
- Overall: 0,00
Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

I cannot stop laughing :lol: 133 billion dollars for something that would break apart while still inside the slipway :lol:

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KHT
Post subject: Re: Today's picture from the Web!Posted: October 25th, 2012, 3:52 pm
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You missed the flanking speed of 43 knots. ;)


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BB1987
Post subject: Re: Today's picture from the Web!Posted: October 25th, 2012, 3:58 pm
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it's there, and now higlited :mrgreen:

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KHT
Post subject: Re: Today's picture from the Web!Posted: October 25th, 2012, 4:25 pm
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Oups.:lol:

Ah, well, the recoil effect won't mess things up at least. :mrgreen:


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Karle94
Post subject: Re: Today's picture from the Web!Posted: October 25th, 2012, 8:12 pm
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gordo8000 wrote:
My suggestion is that we KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!! (and by fire I mean naval gunfire, of course :lol: )
Let`s kill em´ with reality! Something that seems to be an unknown concept to these guys.


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heuhen
Post subject: Re: Today's picture from the Web!Posted: October 25th, 2012, 9:15 pm
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Karle94 wrote:
gordo8000 wrote:
My suggestion is that we KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!! (and by fire I mean naval gunfire, of course :lol: )
Let`s kill em´ with reality! Something that seems to be an unknown concept to these guys.
let us make a shipbucket account in there and mock then! :lol:


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Zephyr
Post subject: Re: Today's picture from the Web!Posted: October 25th, 2012, 9:16 pm
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I've tried. It doesn't work.

And isn't there a specific thread for this someplace, other than this one?

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Post subject: Re: Today's picture from the Web!Posted: October 25th, 2012, 9:17 pm
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heuhen wrote:
Karle94 wrote:
gordo8000 wrote:
My suggestion is that we KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!! (and by fire I mean naval gunfire, of course :lol: )
Let`s kill em´ with reality! Something that seems to be an unknown concept to these guys.
let us make a shipbucket account in there and mock then! :lol:
That just makes us look condescending, snarky and elitist.

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BB1987
Post subject: Re: Today's picture from the Web!Posted: October 25th, 2012, 9:22 pm
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Sorry you are right Zephyr, is this the more appropriate thread to continue?
http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewto ... &start=390

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