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Post subject: Re: Some questions about Ships and WeaponsPosted: February 11th, 2015, 8:57 am
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From first glance it seems like a quite plausible set of events.

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Post subject: Re: Some questions about Ships and WeaponsPosted: February 11th, 2015, 9:03 am
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Also I can use RR Conways in the bomber, since I have VC10 airliner. The Conway would allow to have a bomber in Victor category. For either engine, manufacture license would attain. British engine is available "of the self", while Super Atar was abandoned before development completed.


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Post subject: Re: Some questions about Ships and WeaponsPosted: February 12th, 2015, 3:55 pm
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Messimvria/Salamis Class Frigates (revisited)

Sub-Classes : Salamis, Andros, Thera, Cyrenia
Export: Moreno Class (Argentina), Saif/Shah Jahan Classes (Pakistan).

Dimensions: 128.2 m X 13.2m X 7.2m (at sonar dome)
Displacement: 3480 tn standard, 4100 tn full load
Propulsion:CODAG, 2 X GMC Hellas* Model 16V-278D, 5000 hp each + 2 X Aerodyne GT3-AS-250, 25600 hp each ,turning 2 shafts (61,200 hp total)
Speed:Max 20 kn with diesel engines, max speed (diesels+turbines) 33+ kn
Range:7600nm/16kn,1800nm/28kn
Complement: 204 (Messimvria), 192 (Salamis)
Aviation Facilities: Hangar for two AB-212 or one AS332F (Thera sub-Class)

Armament

1 X Oto Melara 127/54 Combatto (1 X OTO Melara 76/62 Combatto in Thera sub-Class)
1 X Mk29 Sea Sparrow / Aspide in reloader holding 16 missiles (reloader is AU system)
1 X ASROC Mk112 (8 missiles, 16 reloads: usually 12 ASROC/4 RGM-66D)*
8 X SSM-34/SSM-85 missiles or 8 X SSM-65 Adis II missiles (also 4 X SSM-65 and 4 X SUR-18 Triton)
2 X Oto Breda Dardo 40/70 CIWS
2 X Mk32 torpedo tubes, 18 torpedoes Mk44,Mk46 or TP-2 (internal)
2 X Browning M2 0.5"

Electronics

Air Search Radar : Signaal MW-08
Air/Surface Radar : Signaal DA-08
Fire Control Radar : 2 X Signaal STIR 180 + 1 X Signaal WM24*
CMS (Combat Management System) : ISI/Delta Electronics Osiris III (analogue to TACTICOS)
ESM : Thomson CSF DR3000S
E/O: ECON Optics Lyncheus Mk2 (currently -D variant)
Sonar : Signaal PHS36
Towed Array Sonar: Amphitrite IV
ECM: 2 X CM-120 chaff launchers( 2 X 8 tubes each) + 2 X DL3 decoy launchers (18 tubes each)

*AU company, established in 1952, three factories. Among products are some of the famous "Cleveland" GM diesels (up to late 1980's), car models from Chevrolet US and South Korea. Some Opel models built in the past, Corsa, Kadett, Vectra and Omega/Senator. Own developed models as well
*The MW24 is used as back up FCS for guns and mainly for its ASW element. Modernized by local branch of Signaal.
*Also RIM-66B can be used, limited to 60km due to the range of STIR-180. But these ships are not dedicated AAW frigates.

Note: After revisited my AU, I eliminated the Elli Class frigates for commonality with my other ships. But still use Dutch-origin electronics on them, they are among the best of Europe.

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Post subject: Re: Some questions about Ships and WeaponsPosted: February 12th, 2015, 5:39 pm
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Salamis seem to have too short bows, and will be wet forward.
Andros is touch-n'-go there, and only Thera seem to have enough space.
It is rather like the original Type 42 destroyers which had their bows lengthened.

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Post subject: Re: Some questions about Ships and WeaponsPosted: February 12th, 2015, 8:48 pm
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Freeboard is exactly the same with Garcia/Brooke. These ships designed for the OTO Melara 127/54, but with the small hangar. Thera was designed to accomodate a Super Puma in her hangar and for weight balance the gun became 76/62.


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Post subject: Re: Some questions about Ships and WeaponsPosted: February 14th, 2015, 1:14 pm
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Returning to Air Force a bit, the Starfigher step is nessecary to pass. As said before, joining the manufacture program and create the -M variant. I will also have the M61 Vulcan in service, having a supply chain for that already, could support also the Phalanx ( which is used by Kimon Class DDG). Also, Vulcans from retired Starfighers could be recycled for creating a variant of M113 similar with M163. Why buy something you can create recycling reconditioned guns?

Also, some weapons intergated to Starfighter could pass to Viggen later.


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Post subject: Re: Some questions about Ships and WeaponsPosted: February 18th, 2015, 8:46 pm
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I am thinking of creating a turboprop training aircraft ( equivalent with the Tucano series) for training and then use the AC-300 for next stage ( that orange preview posted in my AU). That replaced the T-33B/AT-33B (thought using tthe -B letter for the variant of T-33 created in my AU in 1970's). I think that there is space for a light attack aicraft for Marines and perhaps a squadron in RHAF.

I have in mind something like the Saab 105 (Sk60B was the attack variant and the Austrian 105O had also attack capabilities among other). Any options?

Note that decided to move the Draken to Cypriot service.


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Post subject: Re: Some questions about Ships and WeaponsPosted: February 19th, 2015, 5:04 am
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What time frame are we looking at?
The Aermacchi MB-326G/K is a good trainer/attack option in the 60s to replace the shooting star, as is the MB-339A/C/K for the 1970s.
The BAC Strikemaster/Jet Provost, the Cessna T-37/A-37, Hispano HA-200, and C.M. 170 Magister also provide nice attack/trainer combos for the late 50s and 60s.
If you wanna stick French, but not replace your T-33s till the 1970s, the Alpha Jet is an excellent light attack and trainer type aircraft.
Honestly it's hard to go wrong on this one, it really just depends on who you want to buy from to integrate with the rest of your forces, when you want to buy it, and for how much.

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Post subject: Re: Some questions about Ships and WeaponsPosted: February 19th, 2015, 6:31 am
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As said somewhere before, the T-33B (or AC-233) was a rebuilt and strenghened variant T-33A capable of taking 8g, while engine also upgraded with several improvements. About 90 from ~150 were attained in 1970's and served also in the acrobatic-display team of RHAF AU, the Aegean Arrows. An ingidenous trainer was developed in 1990's, the AC-300, with programable fly by wire system capable of simulating different flying characteristics, intergrating french and swedish techology (M2000 and Gripen). The AT-233 Shooting Star-M was adecuate, but as single engined not completely trustworthy. AC-300 also has one engine, a locally designed and built unit with FADEC.

The program for the attack aircraft now goes back to mid 1970's, when there was already about 20 years of experience using various Shooting Star variants, including F-80C given after the Korean War. Twin engines were a must, plus about 2000 kg of load and enough power loaded.


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Post subject: Re: Some questions about Ships and WeaponsPosted: February 19th, 2015, 8:59 pm
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Also one of PS-05 radar (JAS39 Gripen) predessecors wormed in I-band, could the PS-05 itshelf modified to rhis band instead of X-band? That because the F-35A is designed for being "stealth" in X and Ku bands. Not sure of which bands french radars RDY and RBE working.


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