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Wolftheriot
Post subject: Re: Cold War Self-Propelled Air Defence System ChallengePosted: September 16th, 2022, 7:36 pm
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Type-89 AA

The type-89 Rinkosu chassis was designed in 1987 and began it's service in 1988.By 1993 The already existing Astrapi Anti-Air mixed weaponry block was installed on the Type-89 chassis and soon entered service as a highly mobile anti-air complex in the Shintokian Military,this was greatly in time as during the latter part of the 90s the tensions between the Rationalist Block and Financialist nations grew higher and higher.The vehicle itself is build by several manufacturers who compete against each other,notably Midochi(weaponry and armor);Tsunuhama for the (targeting systems) and Yamatsuri for the Suspension and chassis(the inner workings).

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Post subject: Re: Cold War Self-Propelled Air Defence System ChallengePosted: September 17th, 2022, 8:43 pm
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In this episode of Corp takes a dumb cold war prototype and tries to use it in a challenge: Walking Trucks. The 1980s hyper cold war future we were promised back in the 1960s that turned into the past we were denied.

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First Deployed in 1976, the All Terrain Utility Vehicle (ATUV) remains a technological marvel until the present day. Even now in the 2020s, the ATUV remains the only family of quadrupedal vehicles ever to enter widespread military service. Capable of traversing virtually any highland terrain that a man with a pack could march, they provided a mountain transport capability rivaled only by far more expensive helicopters. Steep slopes and rugged mountain passes were easily conquered by the strong legs of the ATUV. At least in theory, in practice the ATUV proved to be less than reliable, especially during it's early years. Operator strain was an additional issue, piloting an ATUV was strenuous work, few operators could drive for more than a few hours before becoming fatigued. These issues led to a reduction in procurement. Initially planned to equip all 5 of the Shintari Army's Mountain Battalions, issues with the program resulted in a reduced procurement and only the 4th Mountain Battalion was fully "motorized". Even with it's issues the ATUV quickly became a favorite of the 4th Mountain Battalion and due to the many early issues, received the affectionate nickname of "Jackass" or "Jack" in polite company.

The ATUV was envisioned as a "Mountain Jeep", capable of carrying a modest payload to the high peaks and passes of the Khaed-var mountains in the eastern border district. The vehicle was operated by a sole crew member, refereed to as the"Jockey" they controlled the vehicle with their entire body. The control system for the ATUV was shockingly simple when considering the complexity of the quadrupedal mechanism. Each of the Jockey's limbs corresponded with one of the legs of the ATUV, with their movements being relayed to a system of hydraulic valves and pumps that operated the limbs. Beyond a simple "lock in place" mode used for parking, there was essentially no automation in the system and all the subtle movements needed to ensure stability was entirely reliant on operator skill. As a result of this, the job of a “Jack Jockey” was one of the most physically demanding jobs of the army. It took considerable skill and strength to take the vehicle through the rugged mountain terrain it was designed for. The skill required of the operators when combined with the unique legged propulsion correspondingly lent itself to some notable "Party Tricks." During demonstrations Operators would show off by flipping cars over using the vehicles legs to show off the ATUV's raw strength before proceeding to roll eggs without breaking them in order to demonstrate it's precision. One of the most popular demonstrations, and one occasionally still performed by the few remaining operational civilian owned models is "Big Ball", a simplified version of football played between teams of 2-3 ATUVs using a large beach ball.


A number of ATUV variants were fielded. The base model ATUV-GP (General Purpose) could carry a cargo of just over 2 tons or up to 4 fully kitted combat troops. The other variants were dedicated weapons carriers, although most could carry an additional passenger or two in a pinch. Three armed versions of the ATUV were fielded: The ATUV-MG (Machine gun Carrier), The ATUV-AT (Anti-tank) and the ATUV-AD (Air Defense, pictured here). Of these three, the ATUV-AD had the most difficult development. Around the same time the ATUV was entering service a new, dedicated Air Defense version of the humble GPUV (General Purpose Utility Vehicle) was being developed. The GPUV-AD carried a manned turret with 8 short range SAMs. It was initially proposed that this same turret be fitted to the ATUV. On paper it was a simple matter of bolting it to the bed of the ATUV and hooking up the power. Development progressed quickly, one of the test turrets was provided to the ATUV program office and was quickly fitted to one of the test ATUVs. Reality quickly reared it's ugly head. The Turret was at the very limit of the lift capacity of the ATUV's legs, although the strength was increased in production units compared to the test models, the extra weight would strain both the complex hydraulic system and the human operator. Beyond the presence of the extra mass, the position also caused problems. The turret stuck up high and made the vehicle significantly less stable, the usual strength needed by an operator to keep the vehicle stable while in motion was insufficient to compensate for the higher center of gravity and the test drivers frequently stumbled on anything but the flat ground of the garages. The team was forced to conclude that simple drop in of the GPUV-AD turret was not a feasible solution. While it initially looked as if the AD variant would be canceled in favor of just having a MANPADS team, an alternate solution was found with the Mk.84 SAM Launcher, a twin mount intended for use on small patrol boats. While firing the same missile carried by a normal MANPADs team, it provided a modest step up in capability for a modest increase in weight. A Mk 84 launcher was procured and retrofitted in place of the GPUV turret. The result was much better, albiet less capable. The light weight of the launcher reduced operator strain and it's smaller foot print allowed for the ability to carry either small amounts of cargo or an additional passenger. With these results, the finalized ATUV-AD was introduced into service in 1981. 4 short year later, in the rugged highlands of the Khaed-var mountains it received it's trial by fire as the Hyperwar of '85 swung into full gear.


During the hyperwar ATUV-AD proved surprisingly capable. They allowed the Mountain Battalion's Air defense teams the ability to quickly maneuver through both the low valleys and high passes of the Khaed-var highlands. The ATUV-AD racked up a number of kills due to the Collective Union's habbit of flying helicopters at tree top level through mountain passes. The ATUV-AD was able to quickly and reliably establish ambush positions hidden near the tops ofthe peaks and ridges above and rain down death to the helicopters as they flew below. Things proceeded well until the war went "Hot" and the Hyperwar swung into a full nuclear scale exchange. The Khaed-var highlands were quickly transformed from a mountain paradise to a nuclear wasteland, equally quickly peace broke out. Due to the nuclear exchange the ATUV fleet was hit by two obstacles to its continued use, operational losses were high both in field units and more importantly the factories and engineers needed to replace those losses were now radioactive rubble. With both the production lines and field units devastated beyond repair, the armed ATUV variants quickly phased out of service post-war, with only a few unarmed models remaining A number of ATUVS, (the now de-millitarized Air Defense versions included) were later sold off and used in the logging and mining industry, the rest were scrapped. Eventually the civilian operated ones reached the end of their useful lives and met similar fates. A lucky few were donated to museums or ended up in the hands of private collectors, preserving this novel footnote in the history of military transportation. Of the Air Defense variant, no complete models remain with the only remnants of the program being a single surplus turret.

TL;DR: I can't draw wheels or tracks to save my life so I decided to toe the line and draw legs.


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Post subject: Re: Cold War Self-Propelled Air Defence System ChallengePosted: September 18th, 2022, 3:42 pm
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It's tank and it shooty them planes and stuff

Equipped with a basic search radar and optics to aquire targets, crewed by 3 (driver, gunner, commander)

The goal of this system was to stay relatively small, mobile and capable of covering both close to medium ranges. Different missile types were developed and could be loaded as required for each mission.


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heuhen
Post subject: Re: Cold War Self-Propelled Air Defence System ChallengePosted: September 18th, 2022, 4:36 pm
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Idunevenknow wrote: *
It's tank and it shooty them planes and stuff
best description ever, and tells everything we need to know. 10 points


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Post subject: Re: Cold War Self-Propelled Air Defence System ChallengePosted: September 18th, 2022, 7:10 pm
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heuhen wrote: *
Idunevenknow wrote: *
It's tank and it shooty them planes and stuff
best description ever, and tells everything we need to know. 10 points
Right sorry, it's a placeholder, I hate doing descriptions


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Post subject: Re: Cold War Self-Propelled Air Defence System ChallengePosted: September 18th, 2022, 8:11 pm
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Idunevenknow wrote: *
heuhen wrote: *
Idunevenknow wrote: *
It's tank and it shooty them planes and stuff
best description ever, and tells everything we need to know. 10 points
Right sorry, it's a placeholder, I hate doing descriptions
No it is the best description, no need to write an long essay, for a drawing. It's the drawing that is supposed to do the talking, not the text. Thus the short description is the best

Is it a tank? yes (sort off, it have tracks!); can it shoot= yes (it have rockets, it goes wosh - boooom); can it shoot down airplanes? YES!; can it move? it have an engine!
That is what the description told us, and that's enough. Of course you can add some basic stats, but that is not important


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Post subject: Re: Cold War Self-Propelled Air Defence System ChallengePosted: September 18th, 2022, 9:12 pm
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heuhen wrote: *
Idunevenknow wrote: *
heuhen wrote: *

best description ever, and tells everything we need to know. 10 points
Right sorry, it's a placeholder, I hate doing descriptions
No it is the best description, no need to write an long essay, for a drawing. It's the drawing that is supposed to do the talking, not the text. Thus the short description is the best

Is it a tank? yes (sort off, it have tracks!); can it shoot= yes (it have rockets, it goes wosh - boooom); can it shoot down airplanes? YES!; can it move? it have an engine!
That is what the description told us, and that's enough. Of course you can add some basic stats, but that is not important
He, thanks, I thought that was sarcastic :? I'm pretty glad to hear that though, never was a big fan of writing much


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Post subject: Re: Cold War Self-Propelled Air Defence System ChallengePosted: September 19th, 2022, 8:59 am
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Serenoro, Flakpanzer Typ 74 Ausf. C "Höllenfeuer" (Hellfire)
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Born out of a need for a gun-armed SPAA in the mid-Cold War period, Serenoro's Höllenfeuer was built upon the chassis of the existing MBT Pz.Kpfw. Typ 62 "Dachs" (Badger). Armed with a pair of 5cm FlaK 71 anti-aircraft cannon, it received its name through its use in close support of ground troops in urban warfare during the Communist Uprising of 1982, where was highly effective in dispatching groups of armed rebels which had infiltrated its capital. This particular version is shown in red primer paint, due to being commandeered by Serenoran troops from the factory it was being refurbished in, straight into the streets of the capital, where the battle was taking place.

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Post subject: Re: Cold War Self-Propelled Air Defence System ChallengePosted: September 19th, 2022, 12:01 pm
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Argentina, unknown system.

This SPAAD was seen during his deployment to South Bolivia as part of the Coallition forces deployed during "Operacion Trueno de los Andes" (Operation Andes Thunder) in 1978.

No info about it is known at day expect from the fact that its turret is placed over a TPB Yaguarete hull, and is equipped with what it appears to be 2 twin Oerlikon 35mm guns, a search radar, an fire control system and smoke grenades.

In 27 May, 1979, two Peruvian SU22s that where attacking a Coallition convoy during the "Paz Offensive" (Battle of La Paz) where strike down, some people say this SPAAG was the responsable for that.

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Post subject: Re: Cold War Self-Propelled Air Defence System ChallengePosted: September 19th, 2022, 12:06 pm
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Polls Now Open
Submissions for the Cold War Self-Propelled Air Defence System are now closed. Members of the Shipbucket community can rate each entry here.

The poll for the next challenge can be found here. The options are:

Anti-Aircraft Cruiser
- Your entry should depict a fictional gun cruiser commissioned between 1940 and 1960.
- The cruiser's armament should be optimised for anti-aircraft warfare.

Submarine Menace
- The year is 1951. Intelligence reports than a hostile nation has developed a fast submarine based on the German Type XXI (or alternate universe equivalent). It is believed these submarines will be used to strike and sink your convoys and carriers. You must develop a fictional submarine or surface ship that can find and shadow these submarines in peacetime and destroy them in wartime. The vessel must be commissioned within 10 years.

Your Nation's First Destroyer
- Your submission must depict a fictional destroyer.
- The vessel should be the first destroyer commissioned by a state of your choice.
- The destroyer should be commissioned before 1900.

Seaplane Carrier
- Your submission must depict a fictional seaplane tender.
- The tender should be capable of carrying the seaplanes it supports.

Emergency Wartime Merchant Ship
- Your entry should depict a fictional cargo ship built during a large international conflict.
- The ship must represent a standard, mass produced design built in multiple shipyards.
- With resources limited in wartime, measures should be taken to reduce the cost of the ship.

Both polls will remain open until 23:59 (UTC-12) on Thursday the 22nd of September.
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A couple of entries fell outside the rules and requirements of the challenge. However, I failed to follow up in a timely and effective manner so I felt it was not fair to exclude them from the poll, especially when the actual infractions are quite minor.


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