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Author: | Hood [ November 3rd, 2014, 1:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some Thoughts about What If British Aircrafts |
Looks a better place to put it to me. |
Author: | odysseus1980 [ November 3rd, 2014, 5:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some Thoughts about What If British Aircrafts |
Here is the link about the Beriev A-50 Mainstay: http://red-stars.org/spip.php?article67 Dome is just after the wing root, but the wings position is the opposite from the VC10. Both airframes shared however a large, hign T-tail. |
Author: | odysseus1980 [ November 20th, 2014, 7:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some Thoughts about What If British Aircrafts |
British built helicopters Bristol Sycamore Westland WS-51 Dragonfly Westland Widgeon Westland Whirlwind /Wessex Westland Scout/Wasp Westland Lynx Saunders-Roe Skeeter Westland Westminster Bristol Belvedere Fairey Rotodyne Westland WG.22 Westland Sea King We all know which of these were succesful and built in large numbers for Britain and for export customers (Whirlwind/Wessex,Lynx, Scout/Wasp,Sea King), while others built in small numbers or had some export success (Sycamore, Dragonfly, Widgeon, Belvedere, Skeeter). Two concepts remain for evaluation, the Westmister and the Rotodyne. The question is if Britain could avoid purchasing Chinook. For export, first possible customers are Commonwealth countries, then others (all those who did purchased British helicopters in real world). The WG.22 was very ambitious for that era, but perhaps this fuselage could be useful as a base for an fixed-wing plane. |
Author: | acelanceloet [ November 20th, 2014, 3:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some Thoughts about What If British Aircrafts |
a small note, these engines (or equivalent) could be optimised for use at sea as the fokker F28 actually was proposed for the COD role, IIRC. |
Author: | odysseus1980 [ November 20th, 2014, 4:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some Thoughts about What If British Aircrafts |
For landing on the carrier, delivering and go? Perhaps on the large CVA-01, but not for an Audacious. The WG.22 itshelf is equivalent with F.28-1000 in internal volume (did the comparison). What about the aircraft I post above? RN could modernise Gannet again and again, as french did with the Alize, this could be the "cheap" solution. The new aircraft could also be turboprop, with twin double Mamba. |
Author: | acelanceloet [ November 20th, 2014, 4:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some Thoughts about What If British Aircrafts |
it was proposed for the USN, as replacement for the C-2 greyhound anyways, only refering to it as the engines were suitable for naval use or conversion, as that was proposed |
Author: | odysseus1980 [ November 20th, 2014, 4:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some Thoughts about What If British Aircrafts |
Could an platform like that above could be developed? more internal volume from P.139 (longer) and with larger wing with boundary control low landing speed. Link for Rotodyne (scroll down look in two paragraphs just above photos/plans): Would the Rotodyne offers more "value for money" from Chinook? Latter is a very good large trasport helicopter though. What about an WG.22 with modified wing (minus tilt among mods)? Could this be a plausible transport aircraft? Of course, it takes off/lands covnectionally now. Another helicopter (Bristol type 194): https://sites.google.com/site/stingrays ... l-type-194 |
Author: | Hood [ November 22nd, 2014, 9:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Some Thoughts about What If British Aircrafts |
I like the idea of a developed P.39 with boundary layer control. There is no doubt that it could be used for other roles. I like the tanker idea too. Would have been pretty easy to add a HDU in the rear fuselage or pods under the outer wings. Doesn't have to come from the Bucc, Flight Refuelling Ltd had a whole range of this kit for all sizes of aircraft. The Chinook had been selected as the future ASW helicopter for the CVA-01 and its escort cruisers. However, I've never ever seen any evidence of a Boeing-Vertol ASW variant so I'm not sure how much this was Admiralty pipe-dreaming. Even so, the Admiralty had been wedded to helicopter ASW since the days of the failed Bristol 193. I'm not a fixed wing ASW adds anything that a couple of Sea Kings couldn't do. Also saves hangar space. |
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