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Charguizard
Post subject: Re: Shipbucket Style Rules and Standard - Draft 2015Posted: August 6th, 2017, 4:12 pm
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I'm sure someone's said so before, but it wouldn't hurt if a tutorial for cropping and resizing ship plans in the most common softwares used would be created. I think it would be greatly appreciated.

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Post subject: Re: Shipbucket Style Rules and Standard - Draft 2015Posted: August 6th, 2017, 7:25 pm
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I was wondering if we need some "tutorial" esp. for beginners after I read the discussion in "Mr. Hoovers Navy" ?

Since I was playing around with an interwar AU design I saved the different stages of the drawing process:
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I think that could be helpfull with some explaining text and a short explanation of the current style rules?

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Post subject: Re: Shipbucket Style Rules and Standard - Draft 2015Posted: August 8th, 2017, 7:07 am
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tutorials for actual shipdesign should be seperated from the tutorials to the style itself, but I have no objections for such if someone has the energy to make them

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Post subject: Re: Shipbucket Style Rules and Standard - Draft 2015Posted: August 8th, 2017, 8:09 am
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I think everyone uses a slightly different drawing approach.
I actually tend to work along a ship stern to bows in detailed sections, then adding final touches and small detailing later. Though for my current project I've reversed that and worked from bow to stern!
Though for small craft I do tend to follow Skyder's approach in doing the outline and then working in detail.

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Post subject: Re: Shipbucket Style Rules and Standard - Draft 2015Posted: August 8th, 2017, 2:53 pm
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OK the first draft of the revised rules is available here: http://test.shipbucket.com/styleguide

Please let me know your thoughts.

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Post subject: Re: Shipbucket Style Rules and Standard - Draft 2015Posted: August 8th, 2017, 8:52 pm
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Great work! But if I may suggest:

4) Colour ("The dark shadow shade") - the wording IMHO implies that it MUST be the same color for the "dark shadow shade" and the railings and rigging and less directly that it's supposed to be grey (as the railings and rigging are on SB depicted as grey by default unless some other color is used for a VERY specific reason - as far as I know, the common practice is that even when the railing is, say, wooden - and in this colur - it's usually depicted as grey anyway). One thing is that the "dark shadow shade" isn't necessarily grey (though indeed in most of the cases here it happens to be), and secondly I have to admit that I use completely different colors for railings and for rigging (separately - both from "dark grey shadow shade" and from each other). I wasn't checking other Artists' work but I can imagine I'm not the only one, so maybe this part could be rephrased a bit?

Also it seems to lack altogether any mention on size and shape of "standard" portholes and on how the railings should be done (height, space between stanchions etc.)
CraigH prepared in the past a nice drawing that I hope could be used now in the Manual - either entirely or partially:
viewtopic.php?p=137962#p137962
viewtopic.php?p=137987#p137987
(now I'm referring only to the railing/portholes part, though other elements would be IMHO great to see in the widely-understood Tutorial part too)

Btw. CraigH made a nice drawing useful for explaining various kinds of length:
viewtopic.php?p=138078#p138078


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Hood
Post subject: Re: Shipbucket Style Rules and Standard - Draft 2015Posted: August 9th, 2017, 7:59 am
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I think it covers most of the important basics.
I do agree with eswube that there should be some mention of railings and portholes, and Craig H's images are very suitable for that.

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Post subject: Re: Shipbucket Style Rules and Standard - Draft 2015Posted: August 9th, 2017, 2:57 pm
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4) Colour ("The dark shadow shade") - the wording IMHO implies that it MUST be the same color for the "dark shadow shade" and the railings and rigging
Yes. In the basic style, the dark shadow color should be the same as the railing and rigging color.

I'll add a note about how wooden railing can be shown in different colors, and cotton/hemp rope in different colors as well.
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Also it seems to lack altogether any mention on size and shape of "standard" portholes and on how the railings should be done (height, space between stanchions etc.)
I will try to add this today - maybe in a "common component standards" section?
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Btw. CraigH made a nice drawing useful for explaining various kinds of length:
viewtopic.php?p=138078#p138078
This was then pointed out as being inaccurate, hence why I didn't try to use it. I linked the wikipedia article (which has a good illustration attached to it) which should be sufficient.

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Also - I've created a "Tutorials" page here: http://test.shipbucket.com/tutorials

Once we get a few done I can add them to the page. I'm kind of burned out of writing documentation for this site so would look to others to help out here.

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Post subject: Re: Shipbucket Style Rules and Standard - Draft 2015Posted: August 9th, 2017, 4:33 pm
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OK, I've updated the style guide - please take a look and let me know your thoughts. The main change is to section 4 (colors). I've added a new illustration.

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Post subject: Re: Shipbucket Style Rules and Standard - Draft 2015Posted: August 10th, 2017, 7:44 am
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Looks good, I like those colour guides.

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