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CaptainAron
Post subject: ShipwrecksPosted: September 15th, 2017, 7:01 pm
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With the discovery of USS Indianapolis, plus the live stream from the ocean, I was able to modify an existing drawing of the Indy, to match (at best) the current description of the wreck.[ img ]

If you have your own wreck drawings, please share here.

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Post subject: Re: ShipwrecksPosted: September 15th, 2017, 7:06 pm
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http://www.shipbucket.com/styleguide#42

From the Shipbucket Style Guide:

4.2 Depiction of worn or damaged ships

Shipbucket does not allow the depiction of worn, battle-damaged, or wrecked ships.


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Post subject: Re: ShipwrecksPosted: September 15th, 2017, 9:08 pm
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Please, I'm interested to see what you came up with (assuming you used my drawing of CA-35 as lost). Send me a PM.

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Post subject: Re: ShipwrecksPosted: September 16th, 2017, 3:27 am
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eswube wrote: *
http://www.shipbucket.com/styleguide#42

From the Shipbucket Style Guide:

4.2 Depiction of worn or damaged ships

Shipbucket does not allow the depiction of worn, battle-damaged, or wrecked ships.
Sorry. I'm still new here to the site. Will remember from now on

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Post subject: Re: ShipwrecksPosted: September 17th, 2017, 1:09 pm
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eswube wrote: *
http://www.shipbucket.com/styleguide#42

From the Shipbucket Style Guide:

4.2 Depiction of worn or damaged ships

Shipbucket does not allow the depiction of worn, battle-damaged, or wrecked ships.
Personnally i don't get the reason of this rule...............

Annyway, does it means that kind of drawing can't be showed at all in shipbucket or can it be posted in "Non-Shipbucket Projects"?

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Post subject: Re: ShipwrecksPosted: September 17th, 2017, 2:20 pm
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i recall that the original reason such rule was to prevent kids for going into some grotesk porn over destruction and death. (And for some reason always crudely kitbashing my drawings :? )
IMO sunked ships are always graves, and should be dealt with respect, and idea that someone would want to make simple pixel art of someones grave disturpts me slightly. This could be a cultural thing, but I gather I am not the only one with this mindset here.
Also, what comes to worn and torn, and damage, its always something that breaks away from the mathematical aesthetics, that designed technical constructions presents, and thus further difficoulties to be properly presented in pixel art, specially our non gradient ones. Attempts of such starts bordeline a mockery to the style itself, and serve no purpose in core idea of what our style is to be about: uniform templates of ships (and other equipment) to be viewed as part of larger catalogue of similar things.

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Post subject: Re: ShipwrecksPosted: September 17th, 2017, 8:13 pm
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Gollevainen wrote: *
i recall that the original reason such rule was to prevent kids for going into some grotesk porn over destruction and death. (And for some reason always crudely kitbashing my drawings :? )
IMO sunked ships are always graves, and should be dealt with respect, and idea that someone would want to make simple pixel art of someones grave disturpts me slightly. This could be a cultural thing, but I gather I am not the only one with this mindset here.
Also, what comes to worn and torn, and damage, its always something that breaks away from the mathematical aesthetics, that designed technical constructions presents, and thus further difficoulties to be properly presented in pixel art, specially our non gradient ones. Attempts of such starts bordeline a mockery to the style itself, and serve no purpose in core idea of what our style is to be about: uniform templates of ships (and other equipment) to be viewed as part of larger catalogue of similar things.
J was suspecting the "grave matters".........................

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Post subject: Re: ShipwrecksPosted: September 17th, 2017, 9:06 pm
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https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customar ... ul_rule113

There is a good reason for the Shipbucket rule. I think Gallivainan states it clearly;
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IMO sunked ships are always graves, and should be dealt with respect, and idea that someone would want to make simple pixel art of someones grave disturpts me slightly. This could be a cultural thing, but I gather I am not the only one with this mindset here.
One can see from the uproar, that metal thieves have caused by looting the Dutch naval war memorials in Indonesian waters and by similar thieves who have been chased out of Ironbottom Sound and the Slot, a place of memorial for Japanese and Americans that the principle is almost human-wide. Whether if it is Egyptians, or Greeks in the Eastern Mediterranean (5000 years of wrecks) or The Filipino government (Surigao Strait wrecks specifically) or the Malay and Thai governments (USS Lacarta site specifically), one must get permission and or authorization to investigate marine grave sites. Drawings and photos must be cleared. The dead are to be respected.


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Post subject: Re: ShipwrecksPosted: September 17th, 2017, 10:14 pm
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Tobius wrote: *
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customar ... ul_rule113

There is a good reason for the Shipbucket rule. I think Gallivainan states it clearly;
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IMO sunked ships are always graves, and should be dealt with respect, and idea that someone would want to make simple pixel art of someones grave disturpts me slightly. This could be a cultural thing, but I gather I am not the only one with this mindset here.
One can see from the uproar, that metal thieves have caused by looting the Dutch naval war memorials in Indonesian waters and by similar thieves who have been chased out of Ironbottom Sound and the Slot, a place of memorial for Japanese and Americans that the principle is almost human-wide. Whether if it is Egyptians, or Greeks in the Eastern Mediterranean (5000 years of wrecks) or The Filipino government (Surigao Strait wrecks specifically) or the Malay and Thai governments (USS Lacarta site specifically), one must get permission and or authorization to investigate marine grave sites. Drawings and photos must be cleared. The dead are to be respected.
Seriously? Ironbottom Sound has a problem with wreck hunters? Aren't most of those too deep for salvagers save for the transports beached close to shore?

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Post subject: Re: ShipwrecksPosted: September 18th, 2017, 3:16 pm
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Iron bottom Sound.

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If the wreck can be dived, it can be looted.

Some of the Dutch wrecks in the Java Sea are deeper.

USS Houston was looted. It is about as divable as some of the ships lost around Savo Island, in Tulagi Harbor and in the Sealark Channel. Now, the wrecks near Rennell Island or generally outside the massifs are in really deep water. UMVs would have to be used.


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