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odysseus1980
Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: November 21st, 2020, 5:30 pm
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Today I have something from Hellenic Army AU, the H-MRLS system. It was developed in 1980's under close cooperation with Yugoslavia, based on M-77 Organj (40128) and M-87 Orkan (12262). Later did not however entered serial production in Yugoslavia because of the civil war, but HLK continued development alone after 1991. Launch vehicle is completely different from Yugoslavian, the rockets are positioned in 2 modules of 20 (4x5) and 6 (2x3) respectively, following the Taiwanese Thunderbolt MLRS. The resupply vehicle carries 4 modules as the M977 HEMTT used on USA M270 MRLS. Vehicles are locally made Steyr-ELBO, the 26M44 6x6 (26t/440 hp) for the 40128 and the 38M50 8x8 (38t/500hp), both derived from Steyr 93 series. ELBO manufactured the "93" until 2005, then changed to MAN TGX/TGL but with its own cabin variant. HX/SX also are made under licence form MAN. All models still follow Steyr naming system badged "ΕΛΒΟ" in hellenics front and company own badge derived from that of Steyr.

These above fielded in mid 1990's to mid 2000's. They are powered by Steyr V8 diesel engine, which ELBO produced under license. The 128mm rocket has 4 main models, with ranges 20/32/40/52 km, last 2 co-developed with Serbia and the second is HLK own variant. The 262mm has also 4 models with ranges 50/70/90/120 km. From these only the first is nearly identical with original M-87 rocket, other three were developed entirely in HLK. Note that Hellenic Army AU has also M270 MLRS.

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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: November 21st, 2020, 6:51 pm
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One more mobile rocket launcher from my AU, the H-MLRS 7042 on Alta 1700 ATLT. The launcher has built-in laser measuring and guidance for being independent. The 7042 is consist of 6 x LAU-68/A or LAU-131 launchers with 7 rockets each (6x7=42) with range of 7 km. The vehicle is capable of towing 2 more full loads under all terrain, in total 126 rockets carried. Instead of the trailer an Alta 1700 with drop side platform can be used for resupply.

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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: November 21st, 2020, 7:05 pm
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Very interesting, thanks for the description. :)


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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: November 28th, 2020, 2:27 pm
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HLK had acquired or purchased a large number of Patton tanks, M47/M48/M60 from late 1970's to early 1990's, around 1700-1800 in total. Gradually these retired and they converted for other duties. Among them was a tracked transporter (similar with Soviet ATS-59G), a Polar Exploration Vehicle (which has also an articulated variant), MRBM TEL for the Typhon missile (similar with French AMX-30 TEL/Pluto) and a heavy APC similar with Israel Namer called "Bear".

Here is the NK-650 TT (NK is the factory initials, "650" is the horsepower of the Detroit Diesel engine of the prototypes (12V71TTA or 8V92TTI) and TT means Tracked Transporter. The drawing shows the prototype, painted in olive green on trials in 1985. Hull came from a M47 tank and engine was placed low behind the cabin. Around 200-220 were produced until 1996. Cabin was a near copy of that on ATS-59G with 3 piece split windscreen. However, production NK-650 used the Steyr V12 biturbo diesel, which ELBO also manufactured under license.

The NK-850 Articulated Polar Exploration Vehicle has lengthened chassis and powered by MTU 838 engine, found in Leopard I and the non-articulated NK-850 PEV was initially powered by an even more powerful Steyr V12 diesel, but replaced also with MTU 838. Transmission is also shared with Leopard I, but with lower final drive ratio, speed is 40 km/h.

Steyr V12 is real, look in this link in German:

http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/steyr90_1.htm

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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: November 28th, 2020, 3:21 pm
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The Hellenic AU Wildcat (Αγριόγατος, male wildcat) was among the first APCs/IFVs designed in Europe during the Cold War. Developed back in 1950's, it was partially based on the US M39 APC of Korean War, which HLK acquired in 1952-54. It was desinged and produced by Hellenic Army Own Factory in Attica from 1961 to 1972, around 1,200 built in total. Despite its 19t weight, was thought to be not very well armored, however in 1977 Cyprus War (with Turkey AU) Wildcats survived hits from Cobra 2000 anti tank missile. Powered by a GM/ADC 6046 (twin 6-71) with 450hp, it had power to weight ratio around 23,5hp/kg and was therefore very agile and fast. Top speed was also impressive, 75 km/h on road. Several variants built, or which around one third were the IFV variant. The Wildcat served until late 1980's with several modifications and upgrades, among them Steyr V8 diesel in place of the GM/ADC. Its successor was the Leonidas, a derivative of the Austrian Saurer 4K built by ELBO.

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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: November 29th, 2020, 3:05 pm
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In 1960's HLK wanted to replace or modernize its WW2 era M114 155mm howitzers. The french AMX Mk.F3 entered also service in mid 1960's with Mountain Infantry, which had superior performance from the M114. Hellenic Arms Industry R&D was funded to developed a new 155 mm howitzer with a longer barrel of an indigenous design. The Mk.F3 was taken as design base, first prototypes tested in 1972 with a L33 barrel. In that time, the FH70 howitzer had an L39 barrel, so the HH-155 (-Hellenic Howitzer 155mm) was fitted with a longer barrel. In 1975 the howitzer was ready for production and designated Y1975 (Υπόδειγμα, Model 1975). Serial production by Hellenic Arms Industry started in 1976 and the HH-155/39 was exported as well. It has a small APU for providing hydraulic movement to the gun like the French TR-F1. Because of common ancestor, the HH-155/39 appears very similar with the Argentine CITER L33 155, but is a parallel design. When towed, the barrel does not turn 180 degrees as TR-F1, but remain in firing position, like the Yugoslavian (now Serbian) Gun-Howitzer M84 NORA.

For towing truck the Steyr 1491 6x6 was chosen and supplemented later with a ΕΛΒΟ derivative in 1989, the 24M32. It had strengthened chassis, ZF 6HP automatic gearbox with 2-speed axle and the Saurer 7FA diesel from the Leonidas, with 320 hp and later 360 hp in the 24M36 with armored cabin, with replaced the 1491. The 7FA was also used in some ΕΛΒΟ buses as well, both city and regional. Like all ΕΛΒΟ Steyr trucks, a civilian model was also sold, the 24S32/24S36 and 26S32/26S36 with Trilex or convectional rims and single or twin tires at rear axle. A fire engine was also built on that chassis and finally the ΕΛΒΟ-Steyr 1493 "Desert King I" for the Paris-Dakar and Egyptian Pharaoh Rallies with modified suspension and carefully balanced/tuned 7FA with 440 hp, capable of 180 km/h in Sahara desert. The Desert King II was powered by a Steyr V8 engine with more than 500 hp. Although the Desert King did not won, it run very reliable and competively from 1989 to 1994. The participation in those African rallies advertised Steyr trucks boosted sales in that part of world.

The HH-155/39 upgraded for newer ammunition and is capable of 40km range.

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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: November 29th, 2020, 5:55 pm
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And the upgraded Wildcat II Artillery Observation & Fire Control (AO & FC) with LT Pyrkal 2D01/2D02. These have artillery observation electrooptical system and laser measurement device, produced in Armenia and in HLK. They are real systems, company also is real. I am note sure about thier dimensions, just made an estimation for my AU. See links below.

https://vpk-armenii.livejournal.com/76099.html
https://vpk-armenii.livejournal.com/53875.html

Only Wildcat II variants are :
AO & FC for 105mm howitzers and mortars up to 160mm, the AT-TAC (All Terrain Ammunition Carrier) and upgraded
A/T with UTM-800/HOT (1980's) and ARIS IV-LR -an indigenous 6-8 km advanced anti-tank missile of 2000's-
AT-CC (All Terrain Command Center).

Most numerous variants are the AT-TAC (nicknamed "Donkey", Γάιδαρος) and the AT-CC. HLK manufactured also under license the Taiwanese CM-24/CM-27. These are converted or upgraded Wildcat I, because HLK believes in "We do not throw away anything which can be upgraded or converted). Shown here the AT-TAC in olive drab "prototype" form, on trials in early 1990's. There are several sub-variants for artillery rounds 105mm, 155mm, 203mm or AA rounds. Transmission ratio was lowered from Wildcat I, limited maximum speed to 55 km/h. All feature a indigenous remote weapon station with a 0.5" M2 Browning.

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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: November 30th, 2020, 12:16 am
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Excellent work!


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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: November 30th, 2020, 12:39 pm
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Great additions. :)


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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: December 1st, 2020, 5:11 pm
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I found an AU Concorde in my computer and I would like to upload it and say the history behind it. And a significant link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde
http://www.concordesst.com/concordeb.html

In my scenario the "B" was the main production variant, early Concorde modified to that spec also. So more aircraft built. Retirement of the aircraft in my scenario came also a bit later, in 2008-2011, due the the economics crisis and high fuel prices.

Olympic Airways AU ordered 4 Concorde B in 1972 and they were delivered in 1977-78. They were painted in the classic OA livery with flying "Olympic" above a blue live across the fuselage, but with white tail instead of the distinctive all blue, because of temperatures developed. For 32 years they flew to America continent, Asia and Australia, retired in 2010. Registration was unique, following the company B747-284B, with SX-OA#, being the flagships of OA. All also featured names with "Olympic", instead of naming after cities , islands or gods/goddesses like rest aircraft of fleet. Concorde in Olympic Airways became the new flagship of fleet, offering the absolute flight experience in OA, which is famous for luxury and on board service during flight. This because Olympic Airways AU is the flagship airliner of HLK.

SX-OAJ "Olympic Arrow" (Ολυμπιακό Βέλος)
SX-OAK "Olympic Lance" (Ολυμπιακή Λόγχη)
SX-OAL "Olympic Sword" (Ολυμπιακό Ξίφος)
SX-OAM "Olympic Spear" (Ολυμπιακό Δόρυ)

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