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Hood
Post subject: Re: FD Scale Vehicles 2Posted: June 4th, 2011, 3:39 pm
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Bill, the P.1154 did have radar, for terrain-following and target ranging, it was only a lightweight set with a 21 inch scanner. The Navy demanded more and that is another reason why the P.1154RN became a totally different aircraft.

Red Top was actually superior to Sidewinder in the early 70s, being an all-aspect weapon when Sidewinder was a tail-homer. Moves were made to mount it on the RAF Phantoms but the much cheaper Sidewinder won over the bean counter's... :(

Here is a little chart of RAF bombs and weapons; (Martel anti-radar, Martel TV, Red Top, 1,000lb Mk.6 Type 100 with Mk 6 tail, Matra Type M155 68mm rocket pod in intial silver and later green, BL755 cluster bomb)

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Post subject: Re: FD Scale Vehicles 2Posted: June 4th, 2011, 3:41 pm
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I added a BM30 Smerch in the firing position:

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Post subject: Re: FD Scale Vehicles 2Posted: June 4th, 2011, 3:51 pm
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Hood wrote:
Red Top was actually superior to Sidewinder in the early 70s, being an all-aspect weapon when Sidewinder was a tail-homer.
Only against supersonic targets though.

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Post subject: Re: FD Scale Vehicles 2Posted: June 4th, 2011, 10:20 pm
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OK - time to some explanations:

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This is confusing. I thought that the S-37 tag was already used for the fwd swept wing berkut before it was upnumbered to Su-47 or has the Nato code system starting to confuse the hell out of me?
you are right. I am wondering too.... more because this one looks a lot like that single engine mig 1.44.... and he listed it sukhoi. may I see your refs or at least an explanation about this?
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Mitoko wrote:
This is confusing. I thought that the S-37 tag was already used for the fwd swept wing berkut before it was upnumbered to Su-47 or has the Nato code system starting to confuse the hell out of me?
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you are right. I am wondering too.... more because this one looks a lot like that single engine mig 1.44.... and he listed it sukhoi. may I see your refs or at least an explanation about this?
In 1989 Sukhoi bureau take order to make a new plane - frontline fighter / fighter-bomber plane to change on line planes like: Su-17/20/22, Su-25, Mig-23/27.
In 1992 the works was stopped (some elements of avionics have been used in Su-25TM) from the reason problems with money and decision that Russian didn't want a fighter with only one engine.
Later Sukhoi tried to interest this plane a Arabian countries.

It was project of aircraft like Gripen, but bigger - with 18 points for weapon (5,0-8,3 t of weapon), engine R-79M (181 kN).

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Is your drawing above meant to be this:
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(...)Or this:
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Jabba:

S-56 was started from training S-54

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Later on the base of the training S-54 was made a combat version. After some time a name of combat version was changed to S-56.

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So - on the first two draws You have this S-54/S-56.

Later the Sukhoi decided to made next version - with engine AL-41F or R-79M - You have it on third draw - and I made this plane which I draw.


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Post subject: Re: FD Scale Vehicles 2Posted: June 4th, 2011, 10:29 pm
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Mitoko wrote:
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Shouldn't they be facing the other way?

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Post subject: Re: FD Scale Vehicles 2Posted: June 4th, 2011, 10:37 pm
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Aaaa - my mistake :(


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Post subject: Re: FD Scale Vehicles 2Posted: June 4th, 2011, 11:49 pm
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Mitoko wrote:
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Later the Sukhoi decided to made next version - with engine AL-41F or R-79M - You have it on third draw - and I made this plane which I draw.
Aaah, everything makes sense now! ;)

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Post subject: Re: FD Scale Vehicles 2Posted: June 5th, 2011, 2:26 pm
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More TSR.2s!

First up a darker camo scheme to DCI S. DCI S.136/69 and an Far Eastern example with ventral fuel tank and wing tanks for extra long range.
The second two are finished in a mid-70s RAF colour scheme and both have Martel ASMs, the top one anti-radar and the bottom one the TV-guided variant.

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Post subject: Re: FD Scale Vehicles 2Posted: June 5th, 2011, 5:49 pm
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Excellent Hood :D An re the P1154; yes, I recall it was all the 'mucking about' by the FAA that screwed it up as a navalised variant; instead, a proper single seat type with decent radar could have been a winner (and still miles ahead of the Sea Harrier). It was the obsession with having two seats and so on that helped screw this project :evil:


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Post subject: Re: FD Scale Vehicles 2Posted: June 5th, 2011, 7:19 pm
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I read somewhere once of the possibility of making a long range fighter version of the TSR2.Superb drawing mate.I did consider drawing a FD scale aircraft but after seeing the excellent artwork on this thread I think I will leave it to the experts.


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