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Post subject: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 26th, 2012, 10:49 pm
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Yuzuru Hiraga's 1928 design for a treaty battleship:
It was initially supposed to replace the Kongo Class but every plan to build them was shelved with the ratification of the London Naval Treaty in 1931.
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Without a doubt one of the strangest designs i ever seen, with everything cramped as near as possible in order to shorten the armour belt and save weight to fit into the Washington Treaty limitations.
Her armament consisted in 10 16.1-inch guns (409mm) in two twin turrets and two trple turrets, the latter where unusually the superfiring ones, secondary armament consisted in 16 6-inch guns (152mm) in 4 twin turrets and 8 casemate mounts; finally 4 twin 5-inch AA guns mounted on sponsons abrest the bridge structure completed the picture.

Yuzuru hiraga's 1929 design for a fast battleship armed with 18-inch guns:
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Definitely following the steps of her predecessor when it comes to overall appearance and armour setup this massive battleship projected by Hiraga was over 289 meters long (289,5 at the waterline, some 294 overall, 31 meters more than the Yamato class); supposedly capable of 30 knots she featured an all-forward main battery composed of three triple 18-inch (457mm) gun turrets with turret two beign the only superfiring one (much like the british Nelson Class).
Secondary guns where placed all aft, and consisted of three triple 8-inch (203mm) gun turrets, with turret 2 superfiring over the others; AA armament was composed by 5-inch guns (127mm) like the 1928 design, but in addition to the four twin mounts fitted in sponsons near the bridge structure there where two other mounts placed abrast of the funnel, bringing the total count to twelve.
This design eventually developed into the Fujimoto A-140 design, wich in turn evolved into the Yamato class.

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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 26th, 2012, 11:02 pm
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Looking good so far...and I agree...this was a weird design, although the stack on this one combined with a Fuso or Yamashiro bridge structure would have been the epitome of "WTF?!" :D

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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 26th, 2012, 11:49 pm
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You are a machine! A machine I say! I can already tell this is gonna be yet another fantastic drawing

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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 27th, 2012, 8:00 am
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"One of the strangest" sounds a bit like an euphemism. ;)
Good work!


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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 27th, 2012, 8:02 am
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And again you flabbergast us with your amazing work speed and detail.


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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 27th, 2012, 12:13 pm
Great work so far! But I don't share your opinion! ''Without a doubt one of the strangest designs i ever seen''

:P I can say to have much more crasy stuff.


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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 27th, 2012, 12:42 pm
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I always thought that Japanese ships looked a bit strange and unusal, but this one tops it all (so far). Keep up the good work!

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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 27th, 2012, 2:29 pm
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That's why i love japanese designs, they have personality and stands out, their outlines, the peculiar double-curved or clipper bows, the massive superstructures full of sponsons and control levels always caught my eyes since i was a child; if you took a bunch of WWII-era ships you can always point out without a doubt wich is an IJN one.

About the Hiraga one, i even like many of her features, what leaves me a strange feeling is the look of the funnel and bridge tower; i was also puzzled about why they put the catapults on top of the superfiring guns (wiche where triplets, the lower ones where only twins) when they have all that space at the stern, this leads also to the question of how can they place an aircraft on the forward one because there is no trace of a crane to do that.

Meanwhile, i have completed the 1928 version, the next coming is much bigger.

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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 27th, 2012, 2:37 pm
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Think 1928/1929 studies = laid down by 1930/1931 = launched by 1933/1934 = completed by 1934/1936... :|

For the light AA suit, I think that, by 1934/1936, you can delete all ageing 7,7mm light MG & single 40mm and replace it by some twin 13,2mm heavy MG and few twin 25mm.
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Post subject: Re: Japan - Yuzuru Hiraga Battleship Studies (1928 and 1929)Posted: October 27th, 2012, 3:52 pm
Colombamike, we draw ships as official stated or planned, any ''POSSIBLE"" stuff is not from application.. ;)


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