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Portsmouth Bill
Post subject: Re: Canadian DDG 1960 ProjectPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 11:51 am
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Very nice. My only querie is that the original MConrads & Shokaku drawing used a deeper curve on the forecastle than was indicated by the source drawing; but its not a good source drawing anyway, and unless we have an accurate one its much a matter of interpretation.

Incidently, if you've taken the drawing I posted, added Bezo's hull, and then worked it over, the legend should read: MConrads, Shokaku, Bezobrazov, Sailor82, in that order.


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Post subject: Re: Canadian DDG 1960 ProjectPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 11:53 am
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one thing: it might be possible that the mk13 fired harpoons as well. that way you would get an true multirole ship.

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Post subject: Re: Canadian DDG 1960 ProjectPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 12:51 pm
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Yes that is very true concerning the gun mounts. New does not exactly mean better. The Long Beach and Garcia class had 5"/38 singles but they were designed in the 50's. As this class was on the drawing boards 10 years later, I would have thought the 5"/54. I'll post another drawing using the older gun mount for comparison. Shokaku mentioned that the gun mount was supposed to be a Mk24 but that is a single barrel open pedestal mount.

Alvama - Yes! If you can provide me a scan of the Conway drawing and specs would be greatly
appreciated. Documentation on this class is very sparse.

Portsmouth Bill - I'll reverse the naming order as soon as possible.

Thiel - I'll fix the halyards as well but personally I kind of like the look.

The gun director is an issue as it looks like the proposed Sea Mauler. Did anyone post that drawing?


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Post subject: Re: Canadian DDG 1960 ProjectPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 1:09 pm
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Thiel wrote:
sailor82 wrote:
I know the artist rendering showed a 5"/38 Mk12 twin but I could not see an old WW2 gun mount being used or considered.
Actually that's not too unlikely. The Long Beach ended up with one and Danish Peder Skram class had two each. The US was giving them away for free back then and they were still in frontline service with a lot of navies including the USN, so it makes perfect sense that it would be considered.
Sure, but every CLGN-160 design that actually planned for guns from the start used Mark 42. In the missile era, I don't think the USN designed anything destroyer or above with 5/38. Just the DE/DEG, and that's a whole different size/weight/cost class from a proper missile destroyer.

I concur with the eventual fitting of the Oto 127.


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Post subject: Re: Canadian DDG 1960 ProjectPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 1:14 pm
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Hood drew it not that long ago.
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Post subject: Re: Canadian DDG 1960 ProjectPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 2:32 pm
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s340 ... dhnwr1.jpg

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Post subject: Re: Canadian DDG 1960 ProjectPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 8:54 pm
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I updated the first two drawings and below is the third for comparison.

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According to the page that Alvama provided (Thanks!), apparently it was intended to have a 5"/54 but again the drawing shows a 5"/38 twin ...

At any rate I think these drawings are finished ...


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Post subject: Re: Canadian DDG 1960 ProjectPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 8:59 pm
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halyards, you might like the look but it is not allowed per shipbucket standard. other then that: quite nice, and may you post more of the same quality. (or better of course ;) )

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Post subject: Re: Canadian DDG 1960 ProjectPosted: June 22nd, 2011, 9:10 pm
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Looking good. Except for anti-aliasing on the rigging and the main mast. And uncolored pixels around some parts. And not-quite-black underwater hull outlining.

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Post subject: Re: Canadian DDG 1960 ProjectPosted: January 2nd, 2012, 5:51 pm
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Finally got around to finishing this ... I think the top drawing is an accurate representation of the original concept drawing. The bottom drawing is my variant interpretation.

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