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KIKE92
Post subject: Re: Republic of VenezuelaPosted: December 9th, 2012, 5:17 pm
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this is my first attempt at a war scenario so i would love to know what everyone thinks.

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this are the aircraft used by the colombian air force:
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Post subject: Re: Republic of VenezuelaPosted: December 16th, 2012, 9:27 pm
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Very interesting AU and excellent work. I have to admit thats an extremely lopsided war and i don't see why Columbia would attack if its forces were so outmatched by Venezuela in military capability

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Post subject: Re: Republic of VenezuelaPosted: December 17th, 2012, 10:25 pm
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thanks for the comment, i agree it is a bit lopsided but i thought it was kind of appropriate because colombian's are always talking about how there armed forces are better more experienced, so i decided to place them in a situation similar to that of israel which is outnumbered by its neighbours. And the reason why they decided to attack i imagined it was because they were expecting the US forces stationed in Colombia to help them, but they were very wrong. Also the conflict its set in a time when venezuelan forces where still receiving there new toys so they were not as strong as it looks on the first page's inventory.

Im also working on a postwar colombian inventory to show what they bought to replace the lost aircraft

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Post subject: Re: Republic of VenezuelaPosted: December 17th, 2012, 10:51 pm
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Thank you for the explanation that definitely clarifies things

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Post subject: Re: Republic of VenezuelaPosted: December 17th, 2012, 11:01 pm
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No problem

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Post subject: Re: Republic of VenezuelaPosted: December 18th, 2012, 12:26 am
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I'm sorry, but this isn't just lopsided, it's Luxembourg attacking Germany.

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Post subject: Re: Republic of VenezuelaPosted: December 18th, 2012, 9:50 am
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Thiel wrote:
I'm sorry, but this isn't just lopsided, it's Luxembourg attacking Germany.
Yes, I have to agree with Thiel on that. Very nicely made, but the force imbalance between the sides is too large to be reasonable (unless You change who's the aggressor ;) ).
You've mentioned Israel being outnumbered by it's opponents. Well, yes, but it's mostly about being outnumbered in population (currently populations of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Palestine outnumber Israeli population about 15 to 1). In terms of active armed forces strength and especially main categories of equipment (armor, combat aircraft), except for 1948, these differences were much smaller.
In 1990 these countries had:
-Israel: 4288 tanks, 1395 guns/howitzers 100mm+, some 200 (?) MRLs, 678 combat aircraft (incl. stored)
-Egypt: 3190 tanks, some 1300 guns/howitzers 100mm+, 300 MRLs, some 560 combat aircraft (incl. armed trainers),
-Syria: 4000 tanks, some 2200 guns/howitzers 100mm+, 250 MRLs, some 564 combat aircraft (incl. armed trainers),
-Jordan: 1131 tanks, 326 guns/howitzers 100mm+, 104 combat aircraft,
-Lebanon: some 230 tanks, some 110 guns 100mm+, some MRLs, some 10 combat aircraft (practically unserviceable)
(Data from The Military Balance 1990-1991)

So it's 1,994:1 in tanks, 2,825:1 in artillery and 1,826:1 in combat aircraft.

Also, there is a general rule that in the absence of some drastic technological disparity (or some similar factors), it can be reasonably expected that attacking force should be about 3 times stronger than the defenders in order to succeed.

And here You have Colombia, whose total forces strength we don't know, only the local strength, but whose Air Force You said has some 130 (85 in first version) combat/combat capable aircraft - against Venezuela with grand total of ca. 1060 combat and combat-capable training aircraft (total disparity of 8,15 to 1!).
So ok, Colombia wanted to get Venezuela off guard, or in other words: achieve strategic and tactical surprise. Ok, good idea, and what was their idea for Day Two of war (which would simply have to be lost)? ;)

But except for that "detail", it's a very interesting, well drawn thread, keep it up.
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Post subject: Re: Republic of VenezuelaPosted: December 18th, 2012, 10:55 am
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Thanks for comments i know it looks very lopsided but at the time this war took place the venezuelan forces were not as strong as it appears on thread's first page.

I hope this clarifies things a bit.

Venezuelan inventory at the time of the war:

- Venezuelan Air Force:
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- Venezuelan Army:
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- Venezuelan Navy:
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Post subject: Re: Republic of VenezuelaPosted: December 18th, 2012, 12:01 pm
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Are the PZH 2000s replacing the MSTAs? Being an artillery officer, it would be odd to maintain 155mm and 152mm systems at the same time. And the PZH is a far more capable weapon than the MSTA.

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Post subject: Re: Republic of VenezuelaPosted: December 18th, 2012, 12:06 pm
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Colombia is still looking at more than three times her number in every category, plus a whole range of aircraft she simply doesn't have any of. (AWACS, attack heloes and heavy transport heloes)
And to make matters worse her newest fighter is thirty years old.

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