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josephw71
Post subject: Naval architecture questionPosted: November 26th, 2010, 10:03 pm
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Why did ships have these breaks, for lack of a better word, in the hull, and why were they eliminated, or at least seem to be much less common?

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Post subject: Re: Naval architecture questionPosted: November 26th, 2010, 11:49 pm
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Break is the correct word, or 'hull break'. The reduction of freeboard aft of the break saved hull weight by cutting out the weight of the deck there. The break in the hull, however, given that a continuous hull girder can only be maintained in whole decks, represented a point of hull stress, and furthermore, increased stresses by reducing the depth of the hull girder. As electronics and accommodation space demands increased, the additional room given by restoring those 'cut-away' decks became worth the trade-off in weight of metal.


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Post subject: Re: Naval architecture questionPosted: November 27th, 2010, 12:13 am
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Ah, thanks.

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Post subject: Re: Naval architecture questionPosted: November 27th, 2010, 6:51 pm
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In simpler terms, it was the equivalent of having a "cut here" line marked on the hull. It reduced weight but increased the chance that one ship would become two with the right amount of damage.

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Post subject: Re: Naval architecture questionPosted: November 27th, 2010, 6:56 pm
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CanisD wrote:
In simpler terms, it was the equivalent of having a "cut here" line marked on the hull. It reduced weight but increased the chance that one ship would become two with the right amount of damage.
These days, and back then it doesnt care if you fit much armor in there or continue the hull.
A torpedo can wreck frigates/destroyer in two anytime.
Especially these days, with a hull of only a few MM thick.

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Post subject: Re: Naval architecture questionPosted: December 2nd, 2010, 6:34 pm
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It’s also termed the break of fo’c’sle. As others have pointed out it was a cause of back-breaking in when the ship was subjected to shock from underwater explosions but also a source of fatigue cracks in normal use. There is a detail design solution to ease the latter, however, so it remains viable. The important thing is to avoid the sudden vertical break by using an angled or curved side shell for continuity.

Regarding the supposed vulnerability of modern surface warship to torpedo attacks – under keel explosions, when they could be arranged using the fusing technology of the time, would be just as effective at breaking the back of armoured ships as modern ones. Members residing in London may find the history of HMS Belfast – an armoured vessel with her back broken by UNDEX – instructive. In addition, modern warships are designed and built with the benefit of research into the damage effects of such explosions, which were little understood - if at all - in previous generations.

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Post subject: Re: Naval architecture questionPosted: December 3rd, 2010, 12:34 am
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It was especially big on large ships during the treaty era to, well, comply with treaty limitations.


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Post subject: Re: Naval architecture questionPosted: December 10th, 2010, 12:38 am
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O.K. another question, if the boat is on the inside of supports, and they even curl over. So, how do you get the boat in the water?

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Post subject: Re: Naval architecture questionPosted: January 3rd, 2011, 12:40 am
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The Davits can rotate, so first you push the boat back until the fron clears the forward davit, then you swing it out. Then you push the whole thing forward until the stern clears the aft davit and pushes it out.

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